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Former Senator Majority Leader
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and doctor, Bill Frist is our guest
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on this edition of Politicking.
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(upbeat theme music)
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Welcome to Politicking I'm Larry King.
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The White House becomes a pandemic hotspot
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while the infected president tells Americans
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not to let COVID-19 dominate them.
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A candid one-on-one about the deadly health crisis
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and the presidential race, how has it appended
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with former Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, live.
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He's a heart and lung transplant surgeon
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and a host of the podcast,
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A Second Opinion.
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He joins me from Nashville start right there,
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how has this affected Bill Frist's life?
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Well, Larry it's affected me like everybody else
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it has changed my ways of communicating
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and I've still been able to be very active.
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I've had a son and a daughter-in-law with COVID
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and thankfully they came through it well,
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and their children had an infection as well.
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Nashville itself for being a bigger hospitality town
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service industry town has been devastated.
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Things are slowly coming back,
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but it'll be probably second quarter
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of next year before there's real vitality back in the town.
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President Trump has given himself an A plus
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for his handling, polls show about two thirds
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of Americans disapprove, where are you?
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The president, first of all, our government,
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I would give a B in terms of responsiveness
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and that's not answering your question directly yet,
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but I think in terms of response by Congress
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stimulus packages in the past,
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looking after small business,
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getting money out the door,
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the warp effort to create a vaccine
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and the partnerships our government has done
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with the private sector
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with the pharmaceutical firms very impressive,
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but the country has not done well
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with 4% of the population
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and 20% of the deaths in the world, 210000 people,
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a million have died in the world were not doing well.
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And then it goes back to the answer of your question,
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President Trump has not done well.
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As Commander-in-Chief,
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his sole purpose should be at this juncture,
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the safety and security of the American people,
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and he's let us down.
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He has come forward and even just
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in the last week has said, this virus,
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you should not be afraid of.
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And as a heart transplant surgeon, as a cardiac surgeon,
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I would never tell a patient don't be afraid of this virus,
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it is deadly, people need to respond.
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And in the response he's told the people
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to do the wrong thing.
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That masks are not important,
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and that social distancing really doesn't have the impact.
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What did you make of when he returned home
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from the hospital, landing on the lawn there
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and then taking off the mask?
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Well, in the big picture
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and I'll put my position head on,
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I think it was good he went to the hospital.
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I think he had a potentially deadly disease
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we don't know whether he's right in the middle of it,
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he is still infectious.
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I think it was good he went to the hospital,
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I think it was okay that he came home from the hospital
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once the doctors had cleared him, still infectious,
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my expectation would be that he has,
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he protects other people in the hospital.
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I think, the grand standing
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and coming home was totally unnecessary.
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And I think the American people are very disappointed
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in seeing that five minute pause
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with the cameras going where he,
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he clearly wanted to project leadership
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and that he's beat this virus,
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but that's not the right message now
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for the American people.
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The people here in Nashville, to our own families,
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I think it was totally inappropriate.
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What do you make of this president?
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Well, you know he is,
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a lot of the things that he said
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and a lot of people don't agree with
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the things that he's put forward in terms
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of his campaign initially.
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But if you look at the progress that's been made
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in stripping back regulations,
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making it easier to start a small business
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he's done well overall,
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I think with manufacturing jobs,
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he has projected this image of leadership.
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I say all that and I've been
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broadly disappointed in the integrity
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in the trust
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into what I want my children and my grandchildren
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to look up to as a president of the United States.
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And it really comes down to what's been manifested
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with this virus, which shows
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that he has been anti-science
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that he puts hypothetical things out,
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which have not been proven.
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And because his voice is so loud,
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it leads people in the wrong, wrong direction.
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So he's done a lot of positive things,
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but his lack of integrity and reckless
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with the American people,
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when we're talking about their safety
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and security has been disappointing
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Well from all of that,
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can I assume you're voting for Joe Biden?
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I don't want to get into whom I'm voting for Larry
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at this point and I think that the,
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we do have a choice in
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this particular election going forward.
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And I'm very hopeful in the next 30 days
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the differences in policies will be articulated.
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I do think that the election will be determined
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in a large part by President Trump
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and what he does over the next 30 days.
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A lot of people will be voting for him
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because of President Trump
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and then a lot of people,
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most people will be voting who vote for Biden,
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not maybe not most people,
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but a lot will be voting against what
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he has projected as President of The United States.
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White House is now a COVID hot spot,
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did this surprise you?
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No, sadly it doesn't only because every image
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that has been projected out of the most visited
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and most respected house in the world
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that is the White House has been
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one of disrespect for what science has said.
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This is not like we're just starting
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where we didn't know if masks really worked
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and we didn't know how transmissible,
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but this was after a million people have lost their lives,
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we have the science and yet even at the beginning
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of last week we saw people without masks,
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no respect for social distancing.
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With the Commander-in-Chief having huge rallies
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with tens of thousands of people together,
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not respecting the science, it's sad.
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I was very hopeful that the president would use this
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as a pivot point and now show the empathy
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of the 200000 people who have died in this country,
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the million people around the world.
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That there are things that we can do now
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and if we don't do them or if we continue
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to follow his example,
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there'll be hundreds of thousands of more people who die.
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More with Bill Frist, right after this.
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What about the treatment that he's received,
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including monoclonal cocktails, anti viral drug,
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things that the public isn't getting.
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Well, two issues, the equity issues
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of whether vulnerable people
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would have gotten that treatment,
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the answer is absolutely no,
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because he is President of the United States,
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the doctors were very open
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because he was president he had everything.
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The treatment has been very good,
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the Remisivir or the antibodies, again,
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a fantastic therapy that we'll be hearing a lot more of.
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A lot of these monoclonal antibodies will come forward
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in the next three months.
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And I think that's almost equally exciting as
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to the vaccine itself, the Dexamethazone,
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which is a steroid is a high, high dose of steroid.
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And I back when you and I first met 25 years ago,
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I used those steroids in my transplant patients,
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and they are very effective here the science shows,
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but they can also show disturbances
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and manifest side effects of disturbances
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of impulsivity and lack of good decision-making.
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Well, when you have COVID-19,
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how long are you infected?
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You know it has been said two weeks
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and some people say as long as 20 days,
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and that science is really being worked out today.
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But the best data today now is that from the
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onset of symptoms within two weeks,
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that you're no longer transmissible,
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but again it's an individual thing,
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it depends on the initial viral load
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and that's sort of a gross average.
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So we don't really know if you take a particular person,
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but we know on average about two weeks.
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How do you rate the quality of information
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that we get from Trump's doctors at the White House?
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It's been so mixed, I do think
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some of the media has been nitpicking it.
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I mean, these are record doctors,
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they're not trained communicators.
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A lot of it is staged,
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you can tell it's been staged by the President's people.
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So I don't want to be too hard
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on the doctors and nor do I think
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that we need to know every single finding that is out there.
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So I'd give the doctors a B plus
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or a solid B plus as a physician,
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I'd like to know more,
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but there is a limit as to how much you should
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get out to the American people.
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What's the fine line between
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what a patient can tell a doctor to say,
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can the President say don't say anything?
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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I have been in political office
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had been in that position.
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Once you were there,
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it is generally expected that most personal information
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is gonna be made public.
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With this president we've seen a lot
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of withholding of information,
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you come back to his tax returns
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and he's been able to get away with it.
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In this particular case,
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I don't think that we need to know a lot more.
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We know it's a deadly disease,
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we know he's in the middle of it.
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We know he is still transmissible and is infectious
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that other people can be infected.
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We know he's gotten to the extent
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of the very best therapy that's out there today.
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His care needs to be continued,
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again he's sort of right in the middle of it
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and it is not over with
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and you asked about the White House
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projection from the back lawn and the steps.
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He wanted to project that image
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that he has beat this virus and it comes back to,
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don't be afraid of it
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and that is the wrong message.
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He is like every other person,
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the viruses don't know who they're attacking.
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They will attack anybody anywhere in the world.
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And no person is above this virus
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and people need to know that
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so that they will wear their masks
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and take the appropriate precautions
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which we absolutely know are lifesaving.
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The White House reportedly
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is not doing extensive contact tracing
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for people who attended the White House celebration
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for the Supreme Court Nominee, is that a good idea?
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No, it's crazy.
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Given what we know today,
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where we know that contact tracing
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is one of the most effective tools that we have
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in order to prevent the spread of disease.
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And we have a locus that is
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in the White House with as many as 20 people
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in the President's inner circle having been infected.
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And this is exponential,
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it's not just one person infecting one person,
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and that's the end of it.
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One person can affect one person, five people,
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10, 50 or a hundred.
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And when you start saying they've been hundreds
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of people through the White House,
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who've had this exposure to this nucleus,
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this note of infection and not be able to trace it
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as they fly back across the country is inexcusable.
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Boy as a doctor, this infection must really
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drive you a little nuts, right?
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I did trans heart transplants
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and lung transplants for 10 years
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and with that, the viruses were my enemy.
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I would actually give people the sort of steroids
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that the president is on
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and the biggest concern is that a virus would come
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and take them out.
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So I have always been afraid of these viruses
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and I have been trained
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in terms of virology and immunosuppression,
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pretty heavily at some pretty good places
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and I'm petrified of them.
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So I hate to see the leadership of our country
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come out and say, don't be afraid,
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don't worry about it,
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we're gonna all be okay.
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Do you worry it'll get worse?
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I worry about a second bump
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only because of the flu and the flu,
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the common influenza and everybody do get a flu shot.
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I've got mine this is everybody,
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just go and get your flu shot,
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don't ask questions, just go get it
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and I say that very seriously.
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in terms of the symptoms themselves
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that they'll self quarantine,
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but will people get flu shots?
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Will they get the appropriate testing?
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and we know that this virus, once it's indoors
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is more dangerous, it's more deadly,
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if it's in a building than it's outside.
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inside in many States today,
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unlike two weeks ago,
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we're seeing an increase in the incidence of this infection,
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I hope it doesn't continue.
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to do the social distancing, wearing masks, get a flu shot,
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what we know works.
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We'll be right back with Bill Frist
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and more Politicking right after this.
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Welcome back to Politicking Bill Frist,
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the former GOP Senator from Tennessee,
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who served as the Senate Majority Leader
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from 2003 to 2007.
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Heart and lung transplant surgeon
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and a host of the podcast,
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A Second Opinion-rethinking American health,
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he is in Nashville.
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Tell me about your podcast.
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Well, Larry, we have been doing the podcast.
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You kind of inspired me 25 years ago
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in terms of the communication field.
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And I try to do a lot of your approach,
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just trying to cut right down
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to the heart of the matter.
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The podcast we do weekly,
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it's on, as you can imagine the health,
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and we target the health policy world
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with the medical world of medicine and COVID and wellbeing
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and mental health with this third sector of innovation
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and how we can solve problems.
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So it's called, A Second Opinion
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and we've had huge success with it
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and we kind of cut right through the matter.
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We address all sorts of issues,
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we have government officials like the FDA, with us,
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we have a leadership in government.
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We have some of the smartest innovators
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in terms of pharmacology, pharmaceuticals,
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starting businesses around mental health
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and behavioral health.
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And then we come back to talk about health and wellbeing.
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That health is not just going to the hospital
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or getting a flu shot,
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but it really involves our well-being,
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our mental health and behavioral health.
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So thank you, you've been an inspiration.
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And with that, we look forward to another great season.
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By the way the title is, Second Opinion,
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is a second opinion always a good idea?
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You know, it's a good idea,
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but it's a great question.
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We talk about it on our podcast a lot.
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Because today where there is so much information coming in,
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probably a hundred fold information comes in every day now
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than even five years ago,
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that it's next to impossible for a single physician
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to keep all of that in their head.
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Today with artificial intelligence
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and augmented intelligence
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and the use of digital communications
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and archiving of information,
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it's getting a little bit easier.
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So a second opinion is not always necessary,
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but for those complicated,
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whether it's a diagnosis or a potential treatment
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or a pathological specimen,
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I do highly recommend a second opinion.
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What do you make of this rejection of science
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on the part of many politicians
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and many in the public.
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Why would you reject science?
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Larry, the whole fake news has made it worse.
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And when I came to the United States Senate initially,
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and I was there just for 12 years,
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and I was the only physician in the Senate,
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the last one had been there in 1928, 65 years before.
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In Washington, DC
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it's gotten a little bit better.
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There are a few more doctors in the Senate,
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but for the most part in Washington,
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there is a lack of appreciation
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in the legislative branch of science.
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This anti-science movement is difficult to explain,
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but people will come back and say,
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well, initially we said,
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don't wear a masks
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and we do say wear masks now.
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That's not a rejection of science
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and saying science is wrong.
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It says that science depends on the accumulation
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of data over time.
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And the collection and analytics of that data
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are what makes science overall.
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So it has been aggravated again by the white house,
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which has had a clear anti science approach
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to the biggest challenge that we've had in a medical,
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maybe in an existential sense,
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in any regard in my lifetime,
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and to have much of what's coming out of the White House,
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either be anti-science or having actively tried to
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influence what places like the CDC are putting out
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in terms of guidelines,
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which is based on science has been disappointing.
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I will say, I know the CDC well
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I know the scientists there well
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I've depended on their information for 30 years.
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And for 20 solid years when I was practicing medicine
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and they are the best in America
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to go out in the world and to go from this sort
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of gold standard down to this sort of,
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people have a bad distrust of that
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has been very disappointing to me.
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It can be reversed because the science is good,
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it is there and ultimately I think
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it can come back out on top.
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How do you explain it to yourself?
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I can't explain the anti-science,
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everything that I've done when we first figured out
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how to do heart transplants and heart lung transplants
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and the first cardiac surgery,
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it was all based on science.
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When you look at pharmacology and the monoclonal antibodies
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and the vaccines it all is science
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that's built around blinded, double double-blinded
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controlled trials.
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So the rejection of all these fundamentals
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that we know have worked,
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that have saved millions of lives in the past
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is really not understandable to me today.
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It is complicated by the whole fake news thing
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where we're out there,
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people say science does not mean anything.
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So it's incumbent upon the scientists,
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not only to do good science,
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but to develop good communication
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in promoting what is out there
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and that is effective science,
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which we know is life saving.
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Bill Frist is my guest.
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And we'll have more with him after this.
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Couple of political questions,
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do you think the Republicans
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will lose majority in the Senate?
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It depends on what happens over the next 30 days,
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much of this election is built around President Trump
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and he's an intensivist in the sense that
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how he is gonna be both pull up the Republicans
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and that base of Republicans
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and the intensivist also for the Democrats
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who basically just can't stand what he means.
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So a lot is going to depend over the next 30 days.
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I think if the election stays on COVID,
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lack of trust coming out of government,
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lack of integrity, anti-science
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this bravado that we're something that we're not,
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I think things will switch
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they will go democratic for sure.
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I think if Republicans could effectively go
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where President Trump is strong,
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at least polling today
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and that is that he can handle the economy
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better than Biden,
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that it will swing Republican,
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that the Republicans will keep the Senate
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and President Trump will win.
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I will have to say over
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the last two and a half, three weeks,
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where every day the Trump campaign
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has had a misstep, have stayed on COVID,
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have stayed with this argument.
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The American people just don't believe
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that we've beat this virus.
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It is gonna be less likely
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that at least President Trump wins.
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I think it's too early to tell,
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it's too early to make predictions today.
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We know all the popular polls,
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we know what they've been in the past,
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but I think it's going to be what happens
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to two or three days before the election.
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If it stays on COVID, stays on the healthcare,
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stays on women's issues.
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One thing I will say is the debate comes
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these debates come forward, it'll be interesting to see.
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I think if we look at where,
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Joe Biden is in the last few days,
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he says, I'm gonna be the President of all Americans,
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whether you voted for me or you voted for President Trump,
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I'm your president and I'm gonna listen to you
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and he's clearly reaching to the middle.
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President Trump, I'm not sure he's going to do that.
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I think he's going to say,
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my base is mainly white men, not women,
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Biden's basis is more women than any time in history
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there are more women who it looks like
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gonna be voting for Biden in a presidential race than ever,
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but mine is white men and therefore
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I got to appeal to this sort
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of strong sturdy leadership.
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I got to show people that I'm strong on the economy.
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Yet, we haven't seen that even in the last few days.
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And so it really depends on where
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this messaging goes over the next 30 days.
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Do you miss Washington?
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Washington was a little bit different when I was there,
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we had our disagreements,
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we had our partisanship,
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but I will say when I was majority leader,
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we passed the big legislation in a nonpartisan way.
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If you look at things like PEPFAR
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of the HIV AIDS, globally,
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things that we know have saved 20 million lives over time,
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that was bipartisan.
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If we look at what we did in Medicare
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to make prescription drugs, for seniors,
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people said, well, that was sort of a democratic issue
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as an expansion of Medicare,
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but no Republicans read on it with Democrats,
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and today you don't see that as much.
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So I think for people such as myself
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who want to get the good out of both sides
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and bring them together, state principled,
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it's a harder place to survive.
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It's not that way forever
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I hope, I think, I believe.
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So, I miss the big policy,
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I miss the ways of changing the course of history
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to the benefit of people
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and raising them up in health and education
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certainly don't miss the politics of it.
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How will you be voting by mail,
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how will you handle it?
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You don't mean our primary.
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I voted by mail,
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but I am gonna be in town
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so I'm gonna vote in person.
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I think it is interesting
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because I've been talking to the pollsters,
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people who are absentee balloting,
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and voting before election day tend to be,
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fall into the Democrat space,
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sort of overwhelmingly by absentee balloting.
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People who vote in person are gonna
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probably end up voting more Republican than Democrat.
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and of course that means on election day,
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if that's right and that's sort of maybe
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hypothetical a little bit,
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but that's what the pollsters tell me,
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that the day of the election,
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it could well be that President Trump is ahead
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with a few percentage points,
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but it won't be so two and a half weeks afterwards,
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that the final election is there
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where you'll have this huge sweep
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of democratic votes coming in.
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And, right now we are,
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we have a council on election integrity, it's called
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The National Council of Election Integrity
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that just this week went public.
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And with that have 40 people, sort of 20 Democrats
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20 Republicans, all former elected officials,
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cabinet secretary, just a great group of people.
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And this election integrity is the theme
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that every vote counts, that everybody should vote
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and that the system can be trusted today.
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And I think that's an important message.
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And I would encourage the American people
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to listen to, adhere to
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because we're gonna hear a lot through,
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different people and out of Washington that the elections
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are missing and dishonest and you can't trust them
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and that's just absolutely not true.
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Do you still do your medical work overseas?
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No, Larry, I did up until about four years ago.
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So every year I would spend
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anywhere from a week to a month,
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even while I was in the United States Senate
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for those 12 years and then the 12 years since then.
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Going to some country,
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either in Africa or in Latin America
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and doing surgery and taking a team down there
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in an ethical way that would continue and stay there.
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And I've stopped doing it about five years ago,
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but continued to support those efforts,
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which I think is so important.
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I think our standing in the world,
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and again this is not where the White House
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is today are our national security today,
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our national health depends on what
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the health is of our globe.
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These viruses come from around the world,
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we'd got to be involved with the world community.
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I did that in my own little way before,
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but what I do hope is that our government will
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increasingly stay involved,
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through things like
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the World Health Organization
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and others that are out there today.
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Bill you're an extraordinary American,
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do you remain optimistic?
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Yeah, Larry, I am optimistic.
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And a lot of people will just always say they're optimistic,
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but I say in part through the podcast
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Second Opinion that I hear people
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who see these huge insurmountable problems
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and they see them and they're not visionaries,
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but this area of innovation where we have
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this sort of technology out there,
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the wisdom that's out there,
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the smartness that's out there,
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that's solving these big problems in ways
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that we just can't even imagine today.
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And I see it, I see it in healthcare a lot.
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I see the emerging technology, the innovation,
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not just in the science,
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but in the way we deliver that care.
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You think of telemedicine,
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you think of telehealth.
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We didn't even think of that before COVID
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and now millions of people,
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millions of benefit every single day
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because of that single technology.
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So when you see that, you can't help,
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but to be excited about the future.
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We're gonna have a very wild election day.
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And two weeks afterwards, I agree, but again,
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people need to get out and vote,
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those votes are going to matter.
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And the process we've got to be patient
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it's okay to be patient until we get the final results.
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Bill, thanks for your time today.
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Always great talking with you.
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Great, thank you, Larry.
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You can listen to his podcast,
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The Second Opinion, on Apple podcasts, Spotify, YouTube,
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or at secondopinionpodcast.com.
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And thank you audience for joining me
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