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<v ->Best selling novelist, Don Winslow.</v>

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He's taken his criticism of Donald Trump

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from the written word to viral videos.

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Why?

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We'll find out on this edition of "Politicking".

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Welcome to "Politicking", I'm Larry King.

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The passing of Supreme Court icon, Ruth Bader Ginsburg,

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rocks the political landscape as the US COVID-19 death toll

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reaches a grim milestone.

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We begin with Don Winslow,

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the best selling and award winning crime and mystery author.

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His latest novel is "Broken".

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Recently, he's done a series of anti-Trump videos

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which have racked up millions of views online.

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He joins me from Rhode Island to talk about that.

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Don, what led to doing these videos?

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<v ->I started with the police issue, about police violence,</v>

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and made a couple of videos.

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They had some effect, they reached a few million people.

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I'm basically a storyteller.

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I never aimed to be a political person,

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but these are extraordinary times.

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If I write a book,

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it might reach a couple of million people.

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But over the course of several years.

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One of these videos reaches 3 million people

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within an hour or two.

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So it's an amazing opportunity.

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My motive is very simple.

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I wanna affect the vote, I wanna help defeat Donald Trump.

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<v ->With the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg,</v>

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how do you look at the GOP's response

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by trying to replace her quickly?

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<v ->Well, the hypocrisy is mind boggling, but not surprising.</v>

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Mitch McConnell gonna do

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what Mitch McConnell is going to do,

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Lindsay Graham is gonna do what Lindsey Graham is gonna do,

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despite what they said in the past.

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They have no shame at all.

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And the invertebrates of the Republican Senate

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will go along with it, I think.

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<v ->Do you think they might get enough votes,</v>

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Republicans need like three or four votes, right?

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To stop it.

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<v ->Yeah, I don't know that that's going to happen.</v>

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I'm not optimistic.

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<v ->You have been publicly slamming Donald Trump</v>

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since he was a candidate.

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As a President, has he turned out better,

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what you expected, or worse?

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<v ->Worse, by far.</v>

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Listen, this is unprecedented.

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This is no longer, Larry, an issue of politics,

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or the Democratic party or the Republican party,

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or even right and left.

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These are issues of right or wrong.

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These are ethical issues.

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You have a man who has told thousands of lies

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to the extreme detriment of this country.

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A man who has blackmailed foreign governments basically,

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and was impeached for it,

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in order to further his political aims.

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A man who, I think, doesn't see anywhere past his own nose,

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only concerned about himself,

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and not the welfare of this country.

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I could go on and on and on.

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Don't worry, I won't.

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But, it's every day, something new happens.

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And Larry, that's part of the problem.

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There's one more outrage, we're all outraged by it.

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And then the next day there's a new one.

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And we forget yesterday's outrage.

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<v ->Do you think one of the basis of people</v>

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thinking he might be defeated is that we're tired of him.

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<v ->Yeah, I think a significant part,</v>

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and I think a majority of Americans,

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are very, very tired of him.

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And listen, I'm hopeful.

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I think it's going to be an extremely close election.

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The last one was, and I think that this will be closer.

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I'm guardedly optimistic at this point.

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I think of a line from Shakespeare's "Macbeth",

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"Each new morn, new babies howl, new widows mourn,

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because every day something else happens".

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We had a post office scandal, that came and went.

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What didn't come back were the 700 machines they took out,

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which is what they were trying to do.

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That's just one example.

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So again, every day, there's some sort of fresh outrage,

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some sort of offense against this country,

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and we simply move on from it.

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<v ->Don, do you fear an upheaval on November 3rd?</v>

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<v ->Yeah, I do.</v>

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I think it's a very serious issue, protecting this election.

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Listen, you have these now, you have right wing groups.

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We saw them during some of these COVID demonstrations,

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threatening governors and state houses,

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riding around in pickup trucks with automatic rifles.

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This is insane, this is not the country that I know.

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It's not the country that I want.

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So it's certainly I fear for that.

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<v ->Earlier this month, you released a video,</v>

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calling out what you said was the greatest lie

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Trump has ever told, what lie is that?

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(laughing)

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<v ->Well, that he's one of you.</v>

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The guy comes, he's one of us,

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the guy tries to come across as a working class hero.

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And listen, he had some success with that.

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I'm not one of these people, by the way,

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who thinks that everybody who voted for Trump

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is a bad person.

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There are a significant number of people who I think

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looked at what they thought was this self-made,

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which is a lie, billionaire, which might be a lie,

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businessman and thought, I want that guy working for me.

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He'll bring some success to this country.

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I think there were other people

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who felt left behind in the new economy.

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Felt that they weren't being talked to,

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or they were being talked down to.

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And this guy was telling these people, I'm one of you.

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It's ridiculous.

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You didn't inherit millions of dollars from your old man.

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He didn't bail you out to the tunes

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of tens of millions of dollars.

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Again, I could go on and on.

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But the idea that Donald Trump, of all people,

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represents the average American working person,

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is his biggest lie.

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<v ->More with Don Winslow right after the break.</v>

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Is Joe Biden a worthy opponent?

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<v ->Absolutely, he is.</v>

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Listen, Joe Biden is fundamentally a decent human being.

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And what we lack in the White House right now, is decency.

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We've learned, I think, Larry,

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a very hard lesson over these past few years,

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and that's that character matters, character matters.

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And particularly, when you have a major crisis

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like this pandemic come in, character matters.

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Joe Biden is experienced.

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I don't agree with everything Biden's ever done or said,

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but with a lot of it, with most of it.

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He's a decent human being

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who does come from working class roots,

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and does represent the average person in this country.

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<v ->Donald Trump told Bob Woodward,</v>

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He knew that the pandemic was bad.

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He knew it as early as February,

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What do you make of that reasoning?

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<v ->Well, it's terrible.</v>

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Listen, what Donald Trump didn't wanna do

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was bring bad news that might hurt his candidacy.

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That's his reason for lying about this.

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The idea that he didn't wanna panic people is ridiculous.

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We're not children.

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The President owes it to us to tell us the truth,

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to tell us the truth, about whatever it is.

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This is a man who lies every day, multiple times.

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And then he sends his minions out to lie for him,

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and to repeat the lie until people start believing it.

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So what the American people need to know about this pandemic

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are the facts, the science, and the truth.

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<v ->Don, these videos.</v>

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They carry more weight than the written word.

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How do you work them?

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When do you decide what you're gonna do?

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How much money do you have to outlay to do them?

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Where do you do them?

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<v ->I work with my buddy, Shane Salerno,</v>

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who works on them with me.

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Shane is my agent also,

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very A-list screenwriter in his own right.

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The money outlay varies from one to the other.

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I don't wanna get into exact figures about that.

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And we're busy producing them almost all the time.

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<v ->Do they almost write themselves?</v>

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<v ->No, well, yeah, you might be onto something there.</v>

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In a sense they do.

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I mean, certainly the Trump administration

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provides one with an amplitude of ammunition,

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shall I put it that way?

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I wouldn't say that they write themselves.

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And we work pretty hard on them.

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We're trying to shape a message.

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Sometimes that message is to be critical,

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It's to take a hit at Trump.

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Other times though, it's to reach out.

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One of the videos was an open letter to Republican voters,

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saying, come home.

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Come home to real American values and vote this guy out.

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So we're not always taking the offensive.

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There are times we simply wanna reach out.

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And we wanna let people know facts and things

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<v ->In July, you told "Deadline", quote,</v>

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it's extraordinary to me that 62 million Americans

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knowing what they knew about him before election day.

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I think it points to a much larger problem

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that we have to address.

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Once Trump is out, once Trump is out of office.

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What is that problem?

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<v ->Well, the problem I think, is communication.</v>

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I think it's social media.

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I think it's the lies that are told on Facebook.

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The non-facts that get put out there that people believe.

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The interference from foreign countries

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providing disinformation to the American people.

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I also think that there's simply though,

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a problem of divisiveness.

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That we seem these days to pick a team

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and stay with that team no matter what the facts are.

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And that's something that we need to get over.

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And I think that we need to realize as a people,

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that we have more in common than we have that separates us.

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<v ->What's your prediction on November?</v>

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<v ->Well, listen, again, I'm guardedly optimistic.</v>

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I'm going to say that Biden and Harris is going to win.

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I don't think it's gonna be decided overnight.

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I think that Trump and his people will fight this

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with whatever weapons they have at hand,

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which are considerable.

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So I don't think it's gonna be over on November 4th.

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But I am predicting again with guarded optimism

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of Biden's victory.

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But people need to get out there and vote.

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People need to get out and vote.

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<v ->"New York Times" is carrying</v>

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an interesting story this week

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that CNN elected Trump by covering him from day one.

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That they were out for ratings,

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He had hosted "The Apprentice",

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and they knew he could bring them ratings,

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and hence, one and one equals two, do you buy that?

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<v ->I don't know that I buy that.</v>

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Listen, I mean, I think he gets a lot of free publicity.

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He gets a lot of coverage.

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Trump famously sucks the air out of the room,

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and it's hard for anybody else to get any oxygen.

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But whether I blame specifically CNN on that or not,

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I don't think I'm ready to say that.

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<v ->All right, all of this has been a muddle</v>

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as you look back on it.

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I guess you wonder, how did we ever pick him?

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Look, I mean, for me, it was over the day

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that he mocked a handicapped reporter.

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would vote for him after that.

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And then when he mocked John McCain,

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and when he calls our veterans

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and people who died for this country, losers and suckers.

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So it's hard for me to figure why people voted for him,

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and how we got to where we are.

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But here we are, there's not a lot of point in looking back.

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We need to look forward, we need to get the vote out.

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We need to get the truth out there,

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and get this guy out of office.

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<v ->And Evangelicals support, does that surprise you?</v>

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<v ->Yes and no.</v>

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It surprises me on one level

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that Evangelicals could support a man with his,

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how do I put this, personal history and behavior.

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I think though where the Evangelical support comes in

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is on the anti-abortion movement.

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And I think that they will put up with a lot,

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and apparently have, in order to try to further that.

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<v ->Don Winslow, thanks for your time today.</v>

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You've been a great guest.

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<v ->Thank you very much, thanks for having me, Larry.</v>

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I appreciate it.

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Welcome back to "Politicking".

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Former Republican Governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer, joins us.

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She's of course, supporting the President,

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and hoping her home state won't go blue in 2020.

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Current polling trends suggest that.

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She's also the best selling author

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of "Scorpions For Breakfast",

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my fight against special interests,

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liberal media and cynical politicals,

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to secure America's border.

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Thanks for being with us, Jan,

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good to have you with us again.

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<v ->Thank you, Larry, it's great to be on with you.</v>

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<v ->Let's get to some current issues.</v>

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President Trump and Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell,

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pushing to have a new justice named

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after the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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Do you think that's gonna happen?

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<v ->I do, I think that is gonna happen.</v>

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I think he's probably gonna announce the nominees

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probably Friday or Saturday.

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And then I think that Senator McConnell

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will move it forward Monday,

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and they'll start doing what is necessary to get it done.

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Of course, it's up to the Senate to consent,

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and I hope that they do.

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It's an important piece of, not legislation,

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but an important part of policy to get remedied soon.

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<v ->Do you think it's fair,</v>

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based on what the Republicans did the last time

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with the Obama appointment, saying,

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wait till the public votes?

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And that wait till the public hears who's in.

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And now, this looks like hypocrisy.

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<v ->Well, that's the way that</v>

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they're trying to spin it and everything.

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But the bottom line is this,

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that there has been several, 29 times,

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under these same circumstances

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that for different kinds of reasons

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that were sent at this timeframe, near this timeframe.

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And it's up to the Senate.

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It's up to the Senate to consent.

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And that's their job, but, Larry,

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it's so, so important that we have

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a Supreme Court Justice appointed due to the fact that

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we are going in into this major, major election,

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which we probably can assume

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there's gonna be some difficulty maybe,

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and there'll be challenges,

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maybe on both sides, going forward.

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And we need to have a court

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that can resolve these issues for us,

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and not be screwing around

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and waiting for months at a time to get it resolved.

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<v ->Do you think a new nominee can be put up</v>

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before election day?

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<v ->I do, I do, I think so.</v>

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I think that's why the President is moving as swiftly,

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and that we will see that sent over there this week.

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Friday or Saturday, it will be sent over to Congress.

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And then we'll start moving in on it.

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We need to get this done.
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let's discuss some issues.

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The national polls show Joe Biden well ahead.

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Are you concerned about this at all?

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How do you view this election?

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<v ->Well, we're always concerned about the polls,</v>

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but I don't know if we can always be relying on them.

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Four years ago they weren't too popular,

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or they weren't too much in the favor

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of our current President, and he won.

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He's delivered what he promised.

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He said that he was gonna bring jobs,

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He was gonna bring the economy back.

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He's did everything that he's promised.

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He's increased our military, supported our military,

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supports our law enforcement, brought jobs to women,

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to the minorities.

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Everything that he promised he's delivered on.

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So I think that there's, it's good that we have polls,

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but I think that sometimes they're not always accurate.

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<v ->Are you concerned that in Bob Woodward's new book,</v>

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the President admits to having known

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how serious the Corona virus was back in late January,

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but not telling the public.

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What do you think of that?

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<v ->Well, my first response to it, when I heard it is that,</v>

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if he had all that information, why didn't he share it?

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I mean, why was he keeping it in his pocket?

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I think, truly, though, that the President, President Trump,

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really didn't want to alarm the public

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until he had all the facts and the figures

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and exactly which direction it really was going.

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And we have what we call personal responsibility.

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We saw this all play out in Europe and in Asia.

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We knew that it was dangerous, we knew that it was bad.

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I mean, I hunkered down immediately.

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I didn't wanna get it.

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I didn't need to have somebody tell me

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that I needed to be careful,

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and to wash my hands.

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I think they're making a big deal out of nothing.

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<v ->All right, if Trump says</v>

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the new vaccine is available and safe, would you get it?

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<v ->Yes, I think that I would, yes.</v>

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I'm very concerned about it, Larry.

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I think that we have to,

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'cause I'm vulnerable, I'm old,

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and I've had a history of certain things

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that make me more vulnerable.

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And so I would think that if the vaccine comes out,

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and it's been approved and it's been tested,

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then there's no reason why I shouldn't get it.

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And then we're gonna get everybody immunized, hopefully,

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and then we can be done with this.

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And we can all start getting along

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and moving along with our lives.

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This has been a disaster.

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<v ->65% of the public said they wouldn't take the vaccine.</v>

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They don't trust it.

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And that's because the President said,

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he knew about this early, didn't tell us,

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why should we trust him on the vaccine?

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<v ->Well, we've got people in positions</v>

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of the CDC and the NIHI, and scientists,

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they're not gonna let it go.

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And I don't think the pharmaceutical companies

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want any problems on their head in regards to this.

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They're gonna be very diligent, very, very careful.

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But, he did what he said, he did it in warp speed.

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He really pushed it out there.

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He had put the money out there for them to do this.

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And I think that these pharmaceutical companies

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are delivering, and working

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with Oxford University in England,

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and then you've got Pfizer.

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I mean, it just goes on and on.

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All the people that are trying

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to get this all under control.

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What I did find interesting was yesterday,

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I read a big article from a very well-respected scientist,

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saying that the vaccine was not in the meat markets

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over there in Wuhan,

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but that in fact it was actually devised

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and brought forth in a lab.

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And she, I can't think of her name right now,

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but she made such complete, total sense.

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And for China to do something like that,

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it's just unbelievable, they should never be forgiven.

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<v ->Jan Brewer's our guest, more with her after this.</v>

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All right, Trump won Arizona's 11 electoral votes.

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What are you looking at for November 3rd?

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<v ->Well, I'm of course hoping for the 11 electoral votes.</v>

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I think he deserves it, it's been a real strong red State.

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We know that it's gotten blues.

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So many people have moved in here

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to get away from California

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that are what we might consider more liberal

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than what we are, but we're working it.

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And we are very hopeful that he will take the State.

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We know we're key, we're very, very key to this election.

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We know that, they're saying that we're a swing State now,

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which is unfortunate that we've been contaminated.

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I'll say the word contaminated.

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<v ->Oh, come on, Jan.</v>
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(laughing)

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I can say that I'm from California.

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I always say it's a good place to be from.

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But we've got a hot Senate race going too, which has

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really changed the dynamics.
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How does that look?

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<v ->Well, it looks really tight.</v>

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It looks very, very, very tight.

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And so we're working very, very hard.

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And Martha McSally is a very talented, bright woman,

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and she would take good care of Arizona and serve us well,

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as she's already proven in the US Congress and the Senate.

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But her opponent is out there working hard

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and they are pouring tons of money into their campaign.

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On the left their, I mean, this is a hot race.

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This is probably one of the hottest races

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I've ever observed in my whole political career.

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<v ->How about the Hispanic vote in Arizona?</v>

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Which way is it going?

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<v ->Well, I think, probably it's going to go,</v>

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majority probably democratic.

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But, there's amazing how many people have stepped up

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and have changed their views

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because of what he has done for the Hispanic community.

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And they wanted jobs.

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They want freedom of choice and, on schools,

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and they want the economy to be good,

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just like all of us do.

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And he's delivered that for them.

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And he's been inclusive, bringing them in.

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And everybody wants to blame it

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on maybe the immigration issue.

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But the bottom line is,

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is that we live in a country of the rule of law,

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and all he was doing was enforcing the rule of the law,

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and delivered onto the public, what he was gonna do.

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He was gonna secure our borders.

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And most people are grateful for that.

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<v ->Is this, the pardoning of Joe Arpaio,</v>

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the former County Sheriff, is that an issue?

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<v ->I don't think so, but that was, I think that,</v>

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and when he did it, I think everybody was a little,

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they tried to spin it, you know, blah, blah, blah.

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But that's what you get to do

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when you're President of the United States.

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But I think it was like a one-day story.

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And of course, there's people out there

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that really love Joe Arpaio.

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And so they're out there rooting for him every day.

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They still want him to run for office.

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But, I think he's getting a little older.

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<v ->Where did you stand on the Sheriff?</v>

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<v ->Where did I stand on the Sheriff?</v>

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Well, I have known Joe forever.

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I served, I was his boss, by the way,

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when I was on the Board of Supervisors,

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when he was elected.

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I was Chairman of the Board, so we have a long reputation.

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he was an interesting person, very colorful.

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He believed in what he was doing,

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and he made a national name for himself

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based off of the rule of law.

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And people respected him for that.

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<v ->All right, how will you vote on election day,</v>

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in person or by mail, how are you gonna do it,

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how are you, personally, gonna vote?

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<v ->Well, I haven't decided yet, but in Arizona,</v>

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we've voted by mail for years,

515
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when I was Secretary of State

516
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and the Chief Election Officer.

517
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We've got it mastered.

518
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We are not gonna have any problems in Arizona

519
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with mail-in ballots.

520
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But people get confused in regards to what it is

521
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when they say mail-in ballot.

522
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We all mail our ballots in,

523
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but some of them are clarified and you're registered,

524
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who you are and what you are.

525
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In some States,

526
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they've got the mail-in ballots, unfortunately,

527
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and they just mail them out, carry it to everybody,

528
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which is a little concerning to say the least.

529
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But in Arizona, we've got it down pat.

530
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So either way, I used to always say

531
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it was a wonderful thing to go to the polls,

532
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but considering the COVID-19 and everything that's going on,

533
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I just might mail mine in.

534
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<v ->You think we're gonna see a close race on November 3rd?</v>

535
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<v ->Yes, I think it's gonna be a close race, I do.</v>

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But I think we will be victorious.

537
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I'm hoping we're gonna be victorious because, goodness,

538
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to have a President of the makeup of President Donald Trump

539
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and have had him deliver all the things that he promised,

540
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and what he has done with our country,

541
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and the economy, and jobs, et cetera, et cetera,

542
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and the military, is just unbelievable.

543
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He's did more when he's been in office

544
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than many of them that have done

545
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all the time they were in Congress and as President.

546
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So, I mean, you can't deny that, that's a fact.

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<v ->Jan, it's always good seeing you, thanks for joining us.</v>

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<v ->It's great seeing you, Larry, thanks.</v>

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<v ->Thank you, audience,</v>

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for joining us on this edition of "Politicking".

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