In part 2 of our special "Larry King Now" program on GMOs, Curtis Stone, John Salley & others duke it out over the safety of genetically engineered food and its regulation. Dr. Ahluwalia provides the medical perspective & a farmer shares her experience with GMO seed. Click here to watch Part 1 of the GMO discussion on 'Larry King Now' - if you missed it!
The full “Larry King Now” episode will post today at 5 pm EST on Ora TV & Hulu, but if you just can’t wait, catch some episode highlights below:
- Any Food Is Genetically Modified: Celebrity chef Curtis Stone, actress Marilu Henner, Dr. Bob Goldberg and Katie Pratt debate the market dominance of GMOs.
- Are GMOs Safe? Dr. Sonu Ahluwalia discusses the factors that should go into considering the safety of genetically modified food.
- National GMO Labeling Law? Celebrity chef Curtis Stone, actress Marilu Henner, Dr. Bob Goldberg and Dr. Sonu Ahluwalia answer questions from fans via social media.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT - 2/17/2014
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.00:00:00:19 --:--:--:-- KING: ON "LARRY KING NOW,"00:00:01:18 --:--:--:-- THE TRUTH ABOUT G.M.O.s, OUR
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00:00:04:23 --:--:--:-- IMPORTANT TOPIC.
00:00:06:05 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: ONE G.M.O.'S NOT THE
00:00:07:06 --:--:--:-- SAME AS ANOTHER G.M.O.
00:00:08:21 --:--:--:-- YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL--
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00:00:13:01 --:--:--:-- PRATT: THERE SEEMS TO BE A
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00:00:19:06 --:--:--:-- IS NOT THE CASE.
00:00:20:17 --:--:--:-- STONE: RIGHT, BUT THOSE CROPS
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00:00:26:09 --:--:--:-- YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S
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00:00:32:13 --:--:--:-- IF WE GAVE PEOPLE THE
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00:00:39:14 --:--:--:-- THEN THEY WOULD CHOOSE, ON
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00:00:42:21 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THAT'S NOT TRUE.
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00:00:47:04 --:--:--:-- WANT THE MOST TESTED FOODS
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00:00:54:19 --:--:--:-- THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
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00:00:56:19 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: BASED ON THE CURRENT
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00:01:01:02 --:--:--:-- ARE BAD FOR YOU.
00:01:01:23 --:--:--:-- BUT WILL THINGS CHANGE
00:01:03:01 --:--:--:-- 20 YEARS FROM NOW?
00:01:04:01 --:--:--:-- NOBODY KNOWS.
00:01:05:02 --:--:--:-- KING: ALL NEXT ON
00:01:05:23 --:--:--:-- "LARRY KING NOW."
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00:01:21:02 --:--:--:-- THIS IS PART TWO OF A
00:01:22:17 --:--:--:-- SPECIAL "LARRY KING NOW"
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00:01:31:03 --:--:--:-- THE NOTED CHEF; MARILU HENNER,
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00:01:35:00 --:--:--:-- PROFESSOR BOB GOLDBERG, THE
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00:01:40:20 --:--:--:-- JOHN SALLEY, THE WELL-KNOWN
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00:01:45:08 --:--:--:-- I UNDERSTAND THAT DR. GOLDBERG
00:01:47:12 --:--:--:-- HAS A FILM--HE WANTS
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00:01:50:01 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: SURE.
00:01:51:00 --:--:--:-- LET'S LOOK AT A G.M.O.
00:01:51:23 --:--:--:-- NOTICE THAT, ON YOUR LEFT,
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00:02:03:05 --:--:--:-- IMAGINE YOU'RE IN A FIELD IN
00:02:04:10 --:--:--:-- AFRICA SOMEPLACE AND THOSE
00:02:06:15 --:--:--:-- CATERPILLARS OR WORMS
00:02:07:18 --:--:--:-- INFECTING--INFESTING YOUR CROP.
00:02:11:18 --:--:--:-- NOTICE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT--
00:02:13:00 --:--:--:-- THAT HAPPENS TO BE A G.M.O.,
00:02:15:08 --:--:--:-- A GENETICALLY ENGINEERED PLANT,
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00:02:18:22 --:--:--:-- NOTICE THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING
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00:02:22:04 --:--:--:-- IF YOU HAD A CROP THAT WAS--
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00:02:27:06 --:--:--:-- IF YOU HAD THAT CROP, THE ONLY
00:02:28:12 --:--:--:-- WAY YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET RID
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00:02:35:22 --:--:--:-- SOMETHING ELSE.
00:02:37:04 --:--:--:-- IF IT WAS CONVENTIONAL, YOU'D
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00:02:40:21 --:--:--:-- ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU CAN SEE
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00:02:44:09 --:--:--:-- BARELY BEEN TOUCHED, ABSOLUTELY
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00:02:48:22 --:--:--:-- WITH A GENE WHICH IS
00:02:50:21 --:--:--:-- IN THE ORGANIC INSECTICIDE,
00:02:53:08 --:--:--:-- EXACTLY THE SAME THING WHICH HAS
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00:02:56:18 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THE WORM DOESN'T WANT
00:02:58:07 --:--:--:-- IT, WE DON'T WANT IT.
00:02:59:09 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: MARI, LET ME
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00:03:01:01 --:--:--:-- SO I HAVE A WINE CALLED
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00:03:03:04 --:--:--:-- IT'S VEGAN VINE IS WE HAVE
00:03:04:10 --:--:--:-- A SUSTAINABLE VINEYARD.
00:03:05:16 --:--:--:-- AND AT OUR VINEYARD, WE DON'T
00:03:07:02 --:--:--:-- HAVE ANY PESTICIDES.
00:03:08:03 --:--:--:-- AND WE CAN RUN INTO A BIG--
00:03:10:05 --:--:--:-- 150 ACRES OF BEAUTIFUL GRAPES.
00:03:12:20 --:--:--:-- BUT INSTEAD, WE PUT PLANTS
00:03:14:14 --:--:--:-- IN BETWEEN THE VINES
00:03:15:16 --:--:--:-- THAT WARD OFF THE INSECTS.
00:03:17:17 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU HAVE REFUGE.
00:03:18:16 --:--:--:-- I UNDERSTAND.
00:03:19:16 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: OKAY, NOW THE FACT THAT
00:03:21:04 --:--:--:-- YOU JUST SHOWED ME THAT, I WANT
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00:03:27:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: RIGHT.
00:03:28:07 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: HE KNOWS WHAT TO EAT.
00:03:29:10 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THE OTHER ONE'S PLASTIC.
00:03:30:14 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: HE WON'T EAT THE OTHER
00:03:31:14 --:--:--:-- ONE, BECAUSE IF HE ATE THE OTHER
00:03:32:20 --:--:--:-- ONE, HE WOULDN'T BE ALIVE.
00:03:35:05 --:--:--:-- HOW IS THAT NOT EVIDENCE?
00:03:37:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: FOR WHAT?
00:03:38:00 --:--:--:-- HENNER: HOW CAN WE GIVE THAT
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00:03:39:20 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: IT'S EVIDENCE
00:03:40:16 --:--:--:-- THAT THE INSECTS--
00:03:41:17 --:--:--:-- THIS IS WHAT THE INDIANS SAY.
00:03:42:22 --:--:--:-- IF A BIRD DOESN'T EAT IT,
00:03:43:18 --:--:--:-- YOU SHOULDN'T EAT IT.
00:03:44:14 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YEAH, BUT THAT'S
00:03:45:10 --:--:--:-- JUST, YOU KNOW, THOSE CATER--
00:03:46:06 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT
00:03:47:20 --:--:--:-- FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF WE'RE
00:03:49:09 --:--:--:-- A PRETTY WEALTHY SOCIETY.
00:03:51:22 --:--:--:-- I FIND THAT THIS WHOLE GENETIC
00:03:54:00 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERING, ANTI-G.M.O.
00:03:56:16 --:--:--:-- ARGUMENT IS EXTREMELY DEPRESSING
00:03:59:13 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN
00:04:02:18 --:--:--:-- USED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS
00:04:04:14 --:--:--:-- TO HELP PEOPLE IN MEDICINE--
00:04:06:11 --:--:--:-- HENNER: OF COURSE.
00:04:07:07 --:--:--:-- THAT'S A BIG UMBRELLA.
00:04:08:04 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THAT'S EXACTLY THE
00:04:09:01 --:--:--:-- SAME TECHNOLOGY.
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00:04:11:16 --:--:--:-- HENNER: NOT WHEN YOU CHANGE...
00:04:12:20 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.
00:04:14:01 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THE CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
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00:04:16:23 --:--:--:-- THE CHEMICAL PROPERTY
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00:04:18:16 --:--:--:-- HENNER: TO THE POINT WHERE
00:04:19:12 --:--:--:-- AN INSECT DOESN'T EVEN WANT
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00:04:21:04 --:--:--:-- AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE IT
00:04:22:00 --:--:--:-- TO OUR CHILDREN?
00:04:22:20 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IT'S NOT CHANGING THE
00:04:23:16 --:--:--:-- CHEMICAL PROPERTIES OF THE FOOD.
00:04:24:12 --:--:--:-- THAT PLANT DOESN'T EVEN
00:04:25:09 --:--:--:-- RECOGNIZE THAT IT HAS AN EXTRA
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00:04:28:00 --:--:--:-- MARILU, BY THE WAY, WILL NOT
00:04:30:06 --:--:--:-- WORK IN YOU.
00:04:31:16 --:--:--:-- AND THAT'S A FACT.
00:04:33:01 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE THAT PROTEIN--
00:04:34:02 --:--:--:-- HENNER: FOR HOW LONG HAVE YOU
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00:04:36:05 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THEY'VE KNOWN THAT FOR
00:04:37:01 --:--:--:-- ABOUT 50 YEARS.
00:04:38:08 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WELL, YOU SAID BEFORE
00:04:39:20 --:--:--:-- IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO.
00:04:40:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND THE REASON FOR
00:04:41:12 --:--:--:-- THAT IS BECAUSE THAT PROTEIN
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00:04:44:22 --:--:--:-- OF AN INSECT'S INTESTINE AND
00:04:46:20 --:--:--:-- WON'T BIND TO YOUR INTESTINE.
00:04:47:19 --:--:--:-- KING: ARE ALL G.E.O. FOODS
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00:04:51:21 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: WELL, IT DEPENDS UPON
00:04:52:22 --:--:--:-- WHAT'S IN IT.
00:04:53:19 --:--:--:-- IF IT HAS AN ALTERED
00:04:54:22 --:--:--:-- CHEMICAL COMPOSITION,
00:04:57:00 --:--:--:-- IF IT HAS AN ALTERED NUTRITIONAL
00:04:58:01 --:--:--:-- COMPOSITION, THEN YES.
00:04:59:04 --:--:--:-- BUT ALL G.M.O. CROPS HAVE
00:05:01:06 --:--:--:-- TO BE APPROVED BY EITHER THE
00:05:03:01 --:--:--:-- ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY,
00:05:05:00 --:--:--:-- IN THE CASE--OR--
00:05:07:04 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT THEY'RE
00:05:08:00 --:--:--:-- ON THE TAKE TOO.
00:05:08:21 --:--:--:-- I MEAN, YOU KNOW--
00:05:09:23 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER
00:05:10:22 --:--:--:-- THE QUESTION.
00:05:11:18 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: EVERYONE'S
00:05:12:14 --:--:--:-- ON THE TAKE.
00:05:13:21 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: IF I PUT ORGANIC
00:05:15:10 --:--:--:-- VEGETABLES IN FRONT OF YOU
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00:05:19:09 --:--:--:-- YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T KNOW
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00:05:22:13 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I SAID IT WOULDN'T
00:05:23:10 --:--:--:-- MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME.
00:05:24:12 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: WHICH ONE WOULD YOU
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00:05:26:04 --:--:--:-- HENNER: EVEN THOUGH THE TASTE
00:05:27:00 --:--:--:-- IS BETTER.
00:05:27:20 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IN SOME RESPECTS, I
00:05:28:16 --:--:--:-- MIGHT GO FOR THE
00:05:29:12 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOOD
00:05:30:08 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE, WHEN YOU HAVE
00:05:31:14 --:--:--:-- INSECT-RESISTANT CORN, NO
00:05:34:06 --:--:--:-- INSECTS ARE GONNA GO
00:05:35:07 --:--:--:-- TO THAT CORN, NO CORN BORER'S
00:05:36:14 --:--:--:-- GONNA GO, AND IT'S BEEN SHOWN
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00:05:41:10 --:--:--:-- NON-GENETICALLY ENGINEERED CORN,
00:05:42:21 --:--:--:-- THE INSECTS CAN GO TO THE COB,
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00:05:46:17 --:--:--:-- AND IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNISTIC
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00:05:51:08 --:--:--:-- AND THOSE FUNGI ACTUALLY--
00:05:52:06 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT IT IS LIKE
00:05:53:03 --:--:--:-- FRANKENFOOD, IT IS.
00:05:54:05 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IT'S NOT FRANKENFOOD.
00:05:55:04 --:--:--:-- HENNER: IT IS. IT'S FRANKENFOOD.
00:05:56:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO
00:05:56:20 --:--:--:-- USE THAT--
00:05:57:16 --:--:--:-- KING: HOW DID YOU AS A CHEF
00:05:58:12 --:--:--:-- BECOME--HOW DID YOU BECOME
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00:06:01:06 --:--:--:-- STONE: LOOK, I THINK THAT PEOPLE
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00:06:06:16 --:--:--:-- AS A CHEF--BY THE WAY, I'M
00:06:08:20 --:--:--:-- BOOKED OUT FOR TWO MONTHS
00:06:09:17 --:--:--:-- AT MY RESTAURANT, AND THE
00:06:10:18 --:--:--:-- REASON--ONE OF THE REASONS FOR
00:06:11:23 --:--:--:-- THAT IS BECAUSE I MAKE HEALTHY
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00:06:14:11 --:--:--:-- DECISIONS FOR MY CUSTOMERS, AND
00:06:15:21 --:--:--:-- I KNOW THAT THEY APPRECIATE IT.
00:06:17:01 --:--:--:-- JUST LIKE WHEN WE WERE TALKING
00:06:18:04 --:--:--:-- TO THE GUYS FROM CHIPOTLE,
00:06:19:13 --:--:--:-- THEY HAVE AN ETHICAL STANCE
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00:06:23:21 --:--:--:-- THEIR BUSINESS IS DOING
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00:06:25:20 --:--:--:-- IF WE GAVE PEOPLE THE
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00:06:31:09 --:--:--:-- WE DON'T IF WE DON'T HAVE
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00:06:34:12 --:--:--:-- THEN THEY WOULD CHOOSE, ON THE
00:06:36:11 --:--:--:-- MASS, NOT TO BUY G.M.O. FOOD.
00:06:38:10 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THAT'S NOT TRUE.
00:06:39:06 --:--:--:-- STONE: IT IS TRUE.
00:06:40:02 --:--:--:-- HENNER: MOST PEOPLE. 53%.
00:06:40:22 --:--:--:-- STONE: THAT'S WHAT
00:06:41:18 --:--:--:-- THE STUDIES SHOW.
00:06:42:14 --:--:--:-- both: 53%.
00:06:43:10 --:--:--:-- KING: COMING UP, WE'RE GONNA BE
00:06:44:11 --:--:--:-- JOINED BY AN ILLINOIS FARMER
00:06:45:22 --:--:--:-- WHO USES
00:06:46:18 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SEED.
00:06:48:15 --:--:--:-- WE'LL HEAR HER STORY
00:06:49:13 --:--:--:-- AFTER THE BREAK.
00:06:50:12 00:06:51:18 GOLDBERG: IT'S RIDICULOUS.
00:06:54:11 --:--:--:-- KING: YOU'RE WATCHING
00:06:55:07 --:--:--:-- "LARRY KING NOW" AND A MAJOR
00:06:56:21 --:--:--:-- SHOW ON G.M.O.s.
00:06:58:00 --:--:--:-- WE'RE NOW WELCOMING
00:06:59:05 --:--:--:-- KATIE PRATT.
00:07:00:09 --:--:--:-- SHE AND HER HUSBAND GROW CORN,
00:07:02:03 --:--:--:-- SOYBEANS, AND SEED CORN
00:07:03:17 --:--:--:-- ON THEIR FARM IN ILLINOIS.
00:07:06:07 --:--:--:-- AND, KATIE, LET'S START
00:07:08:05 --:--:--:-- WITH WHY YOU USE G.M.O. SEED
00:07:11:01 --:--:--:-- ON YOUR FARM.
00:07:12:23 --:--:--:-- PRATT: WELL, WE'VE MADE THE
00:07:14:18 --:--:--:-- CHOICE TO USE
00:07:15:16 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEEDS
00:07:17:04 --:--:--:-- AS ONE TOOL TO HELP US
00:07:19:20 --:--:--:-- INCREASE OUR YIELDS.
00:07:22:07 --:--:--:-- IT HELPS US BASICALLY DO MORE
00:07:25:14 --:--:--:-- WITH LESS.
00:07:26:17 --:--:--:-- WE ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE
00:07:28:07 --:--:--:-- A GOOD-QUALITY CROP
00:07:30:12 --:--:--:-- BY NOT USING AS MUCH INPUTS,
00:07:34:10 --:--:--:-- IN TERMS OF FERTILIZERS
00:07:36:02 --:--:--:-- AND CROP PROTECTION TOOLS--
00:07:37:11 --:--:--:-- PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES,
00:07:39:00 --:--:--:-- INSECTICIDES.
00:07:40:12 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE LESS TRAFFIC OVER
00:07:42:00 --:--:--:-- OUR FIELDS, WHICH HELP
00:07:43:06 --:--:--:-- REDUCE SOIL EROSION.
00:07:45:00 --:--:--:-- HENNER: DO MOST OF YOUR CROPS
00:07:47:05 --:--:--:-- GO TO FEEDING ANIMALS?
00:07:48:14 --:--:--:-- DOES IT GO TO MAKING
00:07:49:19 --:--:--:-- SOYBEAN OIL?
00:07:51:01 --:--:--:-- PRATT: YES, WHERE WE ARE LOCATED
00:07:53:10 --:--:--:-- IN ILLINOIS, WE HAVE--WE'RE
00:07:56:00 --:--:--:-- VERY BLESSED BECAUSE WE HAVE
00:07:57:07 --:--:--:-- A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PLACES
00:07:58:21 --:--:--:-- OUR GRAIN GOES.
00:08:00:14 --:--:--:-- ANIMAL FEED IS ONE OF THEM.
00:08:02:22 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE SEVERAL ETHANOL PLANTS
00:08:05:00 --:--:--:-- IN A 100-MILE RADIUS
00:08:06:22 --:--:--:-- OF OUR FARM, AND, WHILE WE ARE
00:08:09:00 --:--:--:-- NOT A MEMBER OF THOSE
00:08:10:07 --:--:--:-- COOPERATIVES, IF THOSE PLANTS
00:08:12:13 --:--:--:-- ARE IN NEED OF CORN,
00:08:14:15 --:--:--:-- WE MAY SELL TO THEM.
00:08:16:04 --:--:--:-- THERE IS A PROCESSING PLANT
00:08:17:23 --:--:--:-- JUST ACROSS THE RIVER IN IOWA
00:08:19:18 --:--:--:-- THAT WILL TAKE CORN TO MAKE
00:08:21:15 --:--:--:-- CORN SUGAR, CORN OIL,
00:08:23:11 --:--:--:-- CORNSTARCH THAT WILL THEN BE
00:08:25:20 --:--:--:-- USED IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.
00:08:27:07 --:--:--:-- AND WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO BOTH
00:08:29:00 --:--:--:-- THE ILLINOIS AND MISSISSIPPI
00:08:30:07 --:--:--:-- RIVER, AND SO SOME OF OUR GRAIN
00:08:32:00 --:--:--:-- WILL GO ON BARGES AND BE SHIPPED
00:08:34:10 --:--:--:-- OVERSEAS FOR EXPORTS.
00:08:36:13 --:--:--:-- KING: NOW, AT LEAST 28 COUNTRIES
00:08:38:21 --:--:--:-- WORLDWIDE HAVE PARTIAL OR
00:08:40:08 --:--:--:-- TOTAL BANS ON THIS.
00:08:41:14 --:--:--:-- WERE YOU AT ALL HESITANT TO MAKE
00:08:43:14 --:--:--:-- THE SWITCH?
00:08:44:11 --:--:--:-- PRATT: NO, I DON'T THINK
00:08:46:00 --:--:--:-- WE WERE.
00:08:46:21 --:--:--:-- I SAY THAT--I HESITATE
00:08:48:21 --:--:--:-- IN ANSWERING THAT BECAUSE,
00:08:50:11 --:--:--:-- WHEN THE FIRST
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00:08:52:06 --:--:--:-- CAME OUT, I WAS STILL
00:08:53:11 --:--:--:-- IN HIGH SCHOOL, AND SO
00:08:55:00 --:--:--:-- I DON'T KNOW THAT I WAS FULLY
00:08:56:09 --:--:--:-- AWARE OF HOW MY FATHER MADE
00:08:58:17 --:--:--:-- DECISIONS ON OUR FARM.
00:09:00:05 --:--:--:-- AND HERE ON MY HUSBAND'S FARM,
00:09:03:03 --:--:--:-- WE FARM WITH HIS FAMILY TODAY,
00:09:04:20 --:--:--:-- AND I WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT THIS.
00:09:06:14 --:--:--:-- AND HE SAID THEY WAITED
00:09:07:23 --:--:--:-- A COUPLE OF YEARS JUST TO SEE
00:09:09:08 --:--:--:-- HOW THOSE FIRST CROPS
00:09:11:05 --:--:--:-- WOULD PERFORM.
00:09:12:03 --:--:--:-- AS WITH ANY DECISION WE MAKE
00:09:14:01 --:--:--:-- ON OUR FARM, WE TAKE SOME TIME
00:09:15:15 --:--:--:-- TO DO RESEARCH, READING,
00:09:18:00 --:--:--:-- TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORS--
00:09:19:15 --:--:--:-- HENNER: DO YOU FEED YOUR
00:09:20:14 --:--:--:-- CHILDREN--DO YOU FEED YOUR
00:09:21:13 --:--:--:-- CHILDREN THESE CROPS?
00:09:24:00 --:--:--:-- PRATT: WELL, CERTAINLY
00:09:25:00 --:--:--:-- MY CHILDREN EAT THE FOOD THAT I
00:09:26:09 --:--:--:-- PURCHASE IN GROCERY STORES,
00:09:28:00 --:--:--:-- AND SO SOME OF THAT FOOD MAY
00:09:29:22 --:--:--:-- HAVE THESE TYPES OF INGREDIENTS
00:09:31:16 --:--:--:-- IN THEM, AND, YES, I FEEL
00:09:32:22 --:--:--:-- COMFORTABLE FEEDING THEM.
00:09:34:06 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT YOU DON'T FEED THEM
00:09:35:11 --:--:--:-- FROM YOUR FARM?
00:09:37:10 --:--:--:-- PRATT: WELL, THE CROPS THAT WE
00:09:39:20 --:--:--:-- GROW ON OUR FARM ARE NOT ONES
00:09:42:09 --:--:--:-- THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT AND
00:09:43:13 --:--:--:-- HARVEST AND THEN TURN AROUND
00:09:44:22 --:--:--:-- AND COOK AND SERVE AT A MEAL.
00:09:47:01 --:--:--:-- IT'S FIELD CORN.
00:09:48:18 --:--:--:-- I DO GARDEN, AND WE DO RAISE
00:09:50:16 --:--:--:-- SWEET CORN AS WELL.
00:09:51:18 --:--:--:-- AND, YES, WE FREEZE THAT,
00:09:54:00 --:--:--:-- AND WE EAT THAT THROUGHOUT
00:09:55:09 --:--:--:-- THE WINTER, AND WE EAT FROM
00:09:56:12 --:--:--:-- OUR GARDEN IN THE SPRING
00:09:57:13 --:--:--:-- AND THE SUMMER, AND I'M...
00:09:59:10 --:--:--:-- HENNER: IS IT G.M.O. CORN?
00:10:00:19 --:--:--:-- PRATT: REALLY TRYING TO GET MY
00:10:02:04 --:--:--:-- KIDS TO EAT THEIR FRUITS
00:10:03:07 --:--:--:-- AND VEGETABLES.
00:10:04:14 --:--:--:-- STONE: IS THAT G.M.O. CORN OR
00:10:05:20 --:--:--:-- IS THAT A SEED THAT'S ORGANIC?
00:10:08:22 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: IN YOUR GARDEN.
00:10:09:22 --:--:--:-- HENNER: IN YOUR GARDEN.
00:10:11:18 --:--:--:-- PRATT: WELL,
00:10:12:20 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEEDS
00:10:14:05 --:--:--:-- ARE ONLY COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE
00:10:15:17 --:--:--:-- FOR EIGHT CROPS, AND SO, NO,
00:10:17:10 --:--:--:-- NONE OF THE SEEDS THAT ARE
00:10:18:11 --:--:--:-- IN MY GARDEN ARE
00:10:19:17 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED BECAUSE
00:10:21:15 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE.
00:10:22:22 --:--:--:-- STONE: I FIND THAT AN
00:10:23:22 --:--:--:-- INTERESTING JUXTAPOSITION,
00:10:25:01 --:--:--:-- THOUGH, THAT YOU'RE A COMMERCIAL
00:10:26:15 --:--:--:-- GROWER AND YOU'RE GROWING G.M.O.
00:10:28:12 --:--:--:-- CROPS THAT YOU KNOW ARE GONNA
00:10:30:00 --:--:--:-- END UP IN FOOD, BUT THEN FOR
00:10:31:05 --:--:--:-- YOUR OWN FAMILY, YOU'RE GROWING
00:10:32:15 --:--:--:-- ORGANIC VEGETABLES AND YOU'RE
00:10:34:00 --:--:--:-- FEEDING THEM SOMETHING
00:10:34:20 --:--:--:-- VERY DIFFERENT.
00:10:36:11 --:--:--:-- PRATT: WELL, BUT, SEE,
00:10:39:03 --:--:--:-- THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE
00:10:40:17 --:--:--:-- THERE ARE NOT
00:10:41:14 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEED
00:10:43:04 --:--:--:-- AVAILABLE FOR TOMATOES OR
00:10:46:12 --:--:--:-- POTATOES OR ONIONS, MELONS.
00:10:48:19 --:--:--:-- THAT IS NOT COMMERCIALLY
00:10:50:08 --:--:--:-- AVAILABLE.
00:10:51:04 --:--:--:-- IF IT WAS AVAILABLE,
00:10:52:21 --:--:--:-- AS I MAKE DECISIONS ON OUR FARM,
00:10:55:13 --:--:--:-- I'D TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT
00:10:57:20 --:--:--:-- QUALITY WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD
00:10:59:08 --:--:--:-- THE BENEFIT BE OF PLANTING
00:11:01:13 --:--:--:-- THAT IN MY GARDEN, AND THEN MAKE
00:11:03:00 --:--:--:-- THAT DECISION ACCORDINGLY.
00:11:04:04 --:--:--:-- KING: KATIE, YOU GET YOUR SEED
00:11:05:20 --:--:--:-- FROM MONSANTO?
00:11:08:03 --:--:--:-- PRATT: SOME OF OUR SEED.
00:11:10:01 --:--:--:-- IN SPITE OF POPULAR OPINION,
00:11:11:17 --:--:--:-- THERE ARE SEVERAL SEED COMPANIES
00:11:13:12 --:--:--:-- THAT SELL SEED, MONSANTO BEING
00:11:15:23 --:--:--:-- ONE OF THEM.
00:11:16:19 --:--:--:-- WE BUY FROM PIONEER.
00:11:18:20 --:--:--:-- WE BUY FROM SEED COMPANIES
00:11:20:20 --:--:--:-- THROUGH SYNGENTA.
00:11:22:06 --:--:--:-- IT BEHOOVES US TO PLANT A
00:11:24:05 --:--:--:-- VARIETY OF HYBRIDS ON OUR FARM
00:11:26:09 --:--:--:-- AND NOT JUST ONE TYPE.
00:11:27:20 --:--:--:-- KING: WHAT'S YOUR PERSONAL
00:11:28:23 --:--:--:-- OPINION ON LABELING?
00:11:31:18 --:--:--:-- PRATT: WELL, I THINK THAT
00:11:33:14 --:--:--:-- LABELING IS VERY MISUNDERSTOOD.
00:11:36:11 --:--:--:-- I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE
00:11:38:11 --:--:--:-- SOMETHING THAT'S VOLUNTARY.
00:11:41:11 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, IF THE GENERAL
00:11:43:04 --:--:--:-- CONSUMER CAN GIVE THE PROPER
00:11:46:08 --:--:--:-- DEFINITION OF WHAT GENETIC
00:11:48:00 --:--:--:-- MODIFICATION IS, THEN GREAT,
00:11:50:23 --:--:--:-- LET'S PUT IT ON A LABEL, BUT
00:11:52:16 --:--:--:-- AS IS THE CASE RECENTLY WITH
00:11:54:11 --:--:--:-- GENERAL MILLS MAKING THAT
00:11:55:22 --:--:--:-- DECISION TO OFFER ANOTHER CHOICE
00:11:57:18 --:--:--:-- WITH THEIR ORIGINAL CHEERIOS AND
00:11:59:17 --:--:--:-- LABELING IT AS "NOT CONTAINING
00:12:01:22 --:--:--:-- G.M.O. INGREDIENTS," WHICH IS
00:12:04:06 --:--:--:-- FINE, BUT THERE'S A DISCLAIMER
00:12:06:12 --:--:--:-- UNDER THAT, AND I JUST FIND
00:12:08:18 --:--:--:-- THAT INTERESTING THAT--SO WHAT
00:12:11:17 --:--:--:-- DOES THAT LABEL MEAN THEN, IF
00:12:13:08 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCLAIMER?
00:12:14:20 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WELL, PEOPLE CAN FIND
00:12:15:20 --:--:--:-- OUT WHAT G.M.O. MEANS JUST FROM
00:12:17:15 --:--:--:-- GOOGLING IT AND TRYING TO
00:12:19:00 --:--:--:-- UNDERSTAND--YOU KNOW, THEY
00:12:20:02 --:--:--:-- CAN FIGURE OUT THE LAWS FOR
00:12:21:14 --:--:--:-- ORGANIC, WHAT THE DIFFERENT
00:12:23:00 --:--:--:-- TYPES OF LABELING REALLY MEANS.
00:12:24:19 --:--:--:-- SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF,
00:12:26:00 --:--:--:-- "OH, LET'S NOT PUT A LABEL
00:12:27:03 --:--:--:-- ON IT BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T
00:12:28:00 --:--:--:-- KNOW WHAT IT IS."
00:12:29:08 --:--:--:-- PRATT: WELL, AS THE BEGINNING
00:12:31:00 --:--:--:-- OF OUR CONVERSATION HERE,
00:12:32:09 --:--:--:-- THE QUESTION BEING ASKED, IF I
00:12:34:12 --:--:--:-- PLANT GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEED
00:12:35:23 --:--:--:-- IN MY GARDEN, AND I THINK THAT'S
00:12:37:12 --:--:--:-- WHERE THIS CONVERSATION TAKES
00:12:39:21 --:--:--:-- THE TURN, IS THAT THERE SEEMS
00:12:43:13 --:--:--:-- TO BE A PERCEPTION THAT ANY
00:12:46:16 --:--:--:-- FOOD--THE BANANA, THE ORANGE,
00:12:49:02 --:--:--:-- THE GRAPE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE--
00:12:50:22 --:--:--:-- IS GENETICALLY MODIFIED, AND
00:12:52:14 --:--:--:-- THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
00:12:53:22 --:--:--:-- THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT CROPS
00:12:55:14 --:--:--:-- COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE
00:12:56:16 --:--:--:-- IN THAT FORM...
00:12:57:16 --:--:--:-- HENNER: SO WHY NOT LABEL THOSE?
00:12:58:22 --:--:--:-- PRATT: AND MANY OF THOSE CROPS
00:13:00:09 --:--:--:-- ARE CONSUMED IN THE FORM OF
00:13:02:16 --:--:--:-- INGREDIENTS OR BYPRODUCTS
00:13:04:03 --:--:--:-- AND NOT DIRECT.
00:13:06:00 --:--:--:-- STONE: RIGHT, BUT THOSE CROPS
00:13:07:00 --:--:--:-- GO UP TO MAKING SOMETHING
00:13:08:03 --:--:--:-- BETWEEN 60 AND 80% OF ALL
00:13:10:19 --:--:--:-- PROCESSED FOOD, RIGHT?
00:13:12:19 --:--:--:-- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR CROPS.
00:13:14:06 --:--:--:-- WE'RE NOT TALKING
00:13:15:02 --:--:--:-- ABOUT NICHE LITTLE CROPS.
00:13:16:02 --:--:--:-- YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S
00:13:17:01 --:--:--:-- NOT MUCH GENETICALLY MODIFIED
00:13:18:12 --:--:--:-- FOOD ON THE SHELVES IN THE
00:13:20:12 --:--:--:-- GROCERY STORE, BUT THERE
00:13:21:08 --:--:--:-- ACTUALLY ARE.
00:13:22:05 --:--:--:-- PRATT: YOUR PROCESSED FOODS.
00:13:25:00 --:--:--:-- YES. YOUR PROCESSED FOODS.
00:13:26:20 --:--:--:-- EXACTLY.
00:13:28:00 --:--:--:-- STONE: WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF
00:13:29:04 --:--:--:-- AMERICANS--
00:13:30:00 --:--:--:-- PRATT: I WOULD AGREE WITH
00:13:30:20 --:--:--:-- THAT COMPLETELY.
00:13:33:10 --:--:--:-- STONE: I MEAN, I WANT TO MAKE
00:13:34:19 --:--:--:-- ONE MORE, LIKE, REALLY
00:13:36:19 --:--:--:-- SIGNIFICANT POINT--
00:13:37:20 --:--:--:-- THERE'S, YOU KNOW--WE TURN
00:13:40:18 --:--:--:-- TO SCIENCE, AND WE TURN TO
00:13:42:00 --:--:--:-- PROFESSORS AND STUDIES, AS WE
00:13:43:10 --:--:--:-- SHOULD, RIGHT, AND THERE SHOULD
00:13:44:21 --:--:--:-- BE TWO SIDES TO EVERY ARGUMENT,
00:13:46:05 --:--:--:-- AND YOU SHOULD CONSIDER
00:13:47:06 --:--:--:-- BOTH SIDES.
00:13:48:02 --:--:--:-- THAT'S MY OPINION.
00:13:48:22 --:--:--:-- WE DO TURN TO SCIENCE, AND WE
00:13:50:03 --:--:--:-- DO TURN TO FOOD, BUT THERE'S
00:13:51:21 --:--:--:-- SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON WITHIN
00:13:53:13 --:--:--:-- OUR SOCIETY RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'D
00:13:55:02 --:--:--:-- HAVE TO BE BLIND NOT TO SEE,
00:13:56:10 --:--:--:-- WHETHER IT'S SUGAR DIABETES
00:13:57:19 --:--:--:-- GOING THROUGH THE ROOF,
00:13:59:00 --:--:--:-- WHETHER THERE'S 80 MILLION
00:14:00:11 --:--:--:-- AMERICANS THAT ARE NOW
00:14:01:20 --:--:--:-- GLUTEN-INTOLERANT, WHETHER
00:14:02:20 --:--:--:-- THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS
00:14:04:07 --:--:--:-- ASTRONOMICAL RISE IN ALLERGENS.
00:14:06:21 --:--:--:-- NOW WE TURN TO DOCTORS AND
00:14:09:02 --:--:--:-- SCIENCE TO TELL US, BUT NO ONE
00:14:11:07 --:--:--:-- CAN TELL US WHY
00:14:12:04 --:--:--:-- THAT'S HAPPENING.
00:14:13:00 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: THEY CAN JUST TELL
00:14:13:20 --:--:--:-- YOU TO GET BENADRYL.
00:14:15:03 --:--:--:-- THEY CAN JUST SEND YOU TO GET
00:14:16:09 --:--:--:-- THE MEDICINE THAT THEY MADE YOU
00:14:17:05 --:--:--:-- SICK WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
00:14:18:01 --:--:--:-- KING: I'M GONNA PAUSE THIS.
00:14:18:22 --:--:--:-- WHAT DOES THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY
00:14:20:13 --:--:--:-- HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE HEALTH
00:14:22:00 --:--:--:-- EFFECTS OF G.M.O.s?
00:14:23:08 --:--:--:-- WE THANK KATIE
00:14:24:04 --:--:--:-- FOR BEING WITH US.
00:14:25:06 --:--:--:-- DR. SONU AHLUWALIA
00:14:27:05 --:--:--:-- WILL JOIN US.
00:14:28:01 --:--:--:-- HE'S AT CEDARS.
00:14:29:11 --:--:--:-- WE'LL GET HIS TAKE
00:14:30:09 00:14:31:13 WHEN WE RETURN.
00:14:34:16 --:--:--:-- KING: WE NOW WELCOME
00:14:35:12 --:--:--:-- DR. SONU AHLUWALIA.
00:14:37:00 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: HI, LARRY.
00:14:37:20 --:--:--:-- KING: HE IS A PHYSICIAN,
00:14:38:16 --:--:--:-- MEDICAL EXPERT.
00:14:39:19 --:--:--:-- HE CURRENTLY SERVES AS CHIEF
00:14:41:06 --:--:--:-- OF ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY
00:14:42:09 --:--:--:-- AT CEDARS-SINAI HERE
00:14:43:08 --:--:--:-- IN LOS ANGELES.
00:14:44:08 --:--:--:-- HAS BEEN LISTED AS THE TOP
00:14:46:07 --:--:--:-- DOCTOR BY THE
00:14:47:03 --:--:--:-- "U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT."
00:14:48:23 --:--:--:-- "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL"
00:14:50:02 --:--:--:-- REFERRED TO HIM AS THE DR. OZ
00:14:52:19 --:--:--:-- OF INDIA.
00:14:54:01 --:--:--:-- ALL RIGHT, DOCTOR.
00:14:55:02 --:--:--:-- LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.
00:14:56:10 --:--:--:-- YOUR MEDICAL OPINION.
00:14:57:23 --:--:--:-- ARE G.M.O.s SAFE?
00:14:59:17 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: SO, LARRY, THERE'S
00:15:00:17 --:--:--:-- THREE DIFFERENT THINGS WE THINK
00:15:02:05 --:--:--:-- OF WHEN WE THINK OF G.M.O.s AND
00:15:04:00 --:--:--:-- THEIR HEALTH RISKS.
00:15:04:21 --:--:--:-- AND I'LL GO OVER THEM
00:15:06:03 --:--:--:-- ONE BY ONE JUST TO ADDRESS THEM.
00:15:07:03 --:--:--:-- SO THE FIRST ONE IS SOMETHING
00:15:08:13 --:--:--:-- CALLED--IS A HORIZONTAL
00:15:10:09 --:--:--:-- GENE TRANSFER.
00:15:11:11 --:--:--:-- SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT,
00:15:13:00 --:--:--:-- WHEN YOU ALTER FOODS AND YOU
00:15:14:20 --:--:--:-- CONSUME THEM, COULD THOSE GENES
00:15:17:01 --:--:--:-- GO FROM THE CONSUMED FOOD
00:15:19:09 --:--:--:-- INTO EITHER BACTERIA IN THE GUT
00:15:21:02 --:--:--:-- OR INTO THE PERSON
00:15:22:16 --:--:--:-- EATING IT THEMSELVES?
00:15:24:06 --:--:--:-- AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FEW
00:15:25:15 --:--:--:-- STEPS ALONG THE WAY THAT MAKES
00:15:27:00 --:--:--:-- SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
00:15:28:00 --:--:--:-- NUMBER ONE, MOST OF THE FOODS
00:15:29:15 --:--:--:-- THAT WE CONSUME ARE PROCESSED,
00:15:31:10 --:--:--:-- SO, IN THE PROCESSING, A LOT
00:15:32:20 --:--:--:-- OF THESE PROTEINS AND ENZYMES
00:15:34:00 --:--:--:-- ARE DEGRADED.
00:15:35:08 --:--:--:-- SECONDLY, WE DEGRADE THESE
00:15:37:17 --:--:--:-- PRODUCTS WITH OUR SALIVA
00:15:39:01 --:--:--:-- AND OUR GASTRIC JUICES,
00:15:40:03 --:--:--:-- SO THAT KILLS THEM.
00:15:41:00 --:--:--:-- AND, THIRDLY, FOR THEM
00:15:42:01 --:--:--:-- TO ACTUALLY INCORPORATE
00:15:43:09 --:--:--:-- INTO EITHER OUR BODY OR THE
00:15:45:02 --:--:--:-- BACTERIA, THEY HAVE TO FIND
00:15:47:00 --:--:--:-- THE RIGHT SPOT TO GET INTO,
00:15:49:04 --:--:--:-- AND OUR BODY HAS DEFENSE
00:15:51:03 --:--:--:-- MECHANISMS AGAINST THOSE, SO
00:15:52:09 --:--:--:-- I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD
00:15:53:07 --:--:--:-- IS PRETTY LOW.
00:15:54:07 --:--:--:-- THE SECOND THING WE THINK ABOUT
00:15:56:11 --:--:--:-- IS ALLERGIES FROM
00:15:58:18 --:--:--:-- THESE PRODUCTS.
00:15:59:15 --:--:--:-- SO MAYBE YOU'RE NOT
00:16:00:16 --:--:--:-- ALLERGIC TO SOYBEAN, BUT IF WE
00:16:02:00 --:--:--:-- ADD SOMETHING TO THE SOYBEAN,
00:16:03:07 --:--:--:-- YOU MIGHT GET ALLERGIC TO IT.
00:16:04:20 --:--:--:-- AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROCESSES
00:16:06:16 --:--:--:-- THAT THESE PRODUCTS HAVE TO GO
00:16:07:23 --:--:--:-- THROUGH TO BE TESTED TO MAKE
00:16:09:09 --:--:--:-- SURE THAT THERE'S NO KNOWN
00:16:11:08 --:--:--:-- ALLERGEN THAT WE'RE ADDING
00:16:12:12 --:--:--:-- TO IT.
00:16:13:08 --:--:--:-- SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME
00:16:14:04 --:--:--:-- INSTANCES WHERE WE ADDED A
00:16:16:02 --:--:--:-- BRAZIL NUT INTO A SOYBEAN
00:16:18:03 --:--:--:-- TO MAKE IT MORE NUTRITIOUS,
00:16:19:08 --:--:--:-- AND IT ENDED UP BEING THAT IT
00:16:20:08 --:--:--:-- WAS ALLERGIC AND IT WAS PULLED
00:16:21:23 --:--:--:-- OFF BEFORE IT GOT INTO
00:16:22:19 --:--:--:-- THE MARKET.
00:16:23:16 --:--:--:-- AND THEN THERE WAS THE WHOLE
00:16:24:19 --:--:--:-- TACO BELL FIASCO WHERE, YOU
00:16:27:07 --:--:--:-- KNOW, SOME CORN THAT WE ALLOWED
00:16:29:10 --:--:--:-- ANIMALS TO EAT WITH LESS STRICT,
00:16:31:10 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, OVERSIGHT WENT INTO
00:16:33:19 --:--:--:-- THE HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
00:16:35:20 --:--:--:-- AND THEN FINALLY, TOXICITY.
00:16:37:04 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, WE WORRY ABOUT,
00:16:38:04 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, IS IT TOXIC TO OUR
00:16:39:12 --:--:--:-- GUT, IS IT TOXIC TO OUR LIVER,
00:16:41:03 --:--:--:-- IS IT TOXIC TO OUR PANCREAS?
00:16:42:18 --:--:--:-- AND THERE HAVE REALLY BEEN NO
00:16:44:02 --:--:--:-- STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVEN
00:16:45:13 --:--:--:-- TO SHOW THIS.
00:16:46:09 --:--:--:-- THERE WERE SOME THAT INDICATED
00:16:47:20 --:--:--:-- THAT IT MIGHT BE, BUT ALL OF
00:16:49:03 --:--:--:-- THOSE HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED BY NOW.
00:16:51:02 --:--:--:-- AND, LARRY, THE MOST IMPORTANT
00:16:52:12 --:--:--:-- THING IS THAT THE W.H.O., THE
00:16:54:04 --:--:--:-- AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION,
00:16:55:08 --:--:--:-- THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF MEDICINE,
00:16:56:20 --:--:--:-- ALL HAVE CONCURRED THAT G.M.O.s
00:16:59:14 --:--:--:-- ARE SAFE TO HUMAN HEALTH.
00:17:01:19 --:--:--:-- KING: SO YOUR CONCLUSION IS?
00:17:03:14 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: WE DON'T HAVE ANY
00:17:05:03 --:--:--:-- EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT IT
00:17:06:05 --:--:--:-- IS NOT SAFE.
00:17:08:07 --:--:--:-- KING: SO THERE'S--
00:17:09:10 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT HOW LONG--HOW LONG
00:17:10:12 --:--:--:-- DID YOU DO THESE STUDIES, AND
00:17:12:07 --:--:--:-- HOW LONG CAN WE DO THESE STUDIES
00:17:14:00 --:--:--:-- TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING
00:17:15:04 --:--:--:-- LIKE THAT--BECAUSE, LISTEN,
00:17:16:15 --:--:--:-- I'M THE PERFECT TESTIMONY THAT
00:17:19:08 --:--:--:-- SCIENCE DOESN'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
00:17:20:17 --:--:--:-- I HAVE A VERY UNUSUAL MEMORY,
00:17:22:04 --:--:--:-- AND YEARS AGO, THERE WAS NOTHING
00:17:23:21 --:--:--:-- ABOUT IT IN MEDICAL BOOKS,
00:17:25:00 --:--:--:-- SCIENCE BOOKS, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
00:17:26:08 --:--:--:-- NOW THERE'S A WHOLE NEW FIELD
00:17:27:13 --:--:--:-- THAT'S OPEN, SO I KNOW THAT WE
00:17:29:06 --:--:--:-- DON'T HAVE ALL
00:17:30:05 --:--:--:-- OF THE INFORMATION.
00:17:31:05 --:--:--:-- WE DON'T, AND THERE ARE SO MANY
00:17:32:02 --:--:--:-- OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE
00:17:32:23 --:--:--:-- AGAINST G.M.O.s.
00:17:33:23 --:--:--:-- DEFINITELY 100% NOT--
00:17:34:20 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: MY MOTHER IS
00:17:35:18 --:--:--:-- 90 YEARS OLD, AND SHE HAS A
00:17:38:01 --:--:--:-- GARDEN IN THE BACK OF HER HOUSE.
00:17:39:15 --:--:--:-- AND WHEN SHE WOULD GROW
00:17:42:05 --:--:--:-- WATERMELON OR SHE WOULD GET
00:17:43:06 --:--:--:-- ANYTHING, SHE WOULD SAY,
00:17:44:20 --:--:--:-- "IF THE WATERMELON DOESN'T HAVE
00:17:46:04 --:--:--:-- SEEDS, DON'T EAT IT."
00:17:48:10 --:--:--:-- THAT'S WHAT SHE WOULD SAY.
00:17:49:10 --:--:--:-- SHE SAID, "I GOTTA BE ABLE TO
00:17:50:09 --:--:--:-- TAKE THE SEEDS, DRY 'EM, AND
00:17:51:15 --:--:--:-- THEN HAVE THE CROP BACK AGAIN."
00:17:53:08 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IT'S
00:17:54:04 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED.
00:17:55:03 --:--:--:-- IT'S TRIPLOID.
00:17:56:15 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I'M GONNA GO OVER THIS.
00:17:57:11 --:--:--:-- I'M GONNA GO WITH MY
00:17:58:18 --:--:--:-- 90-YEAR-OLD MOTHER THAT SAYS
00:18:01:14 --:--:--:-- EAT FOODS OUT OF YOUR GARDEN,
00:18:03:19 --:--:--:-- EAT FOODS THAT ARE NATURAL.
00:18:05:10 --:--:--:-- I'M GONNA GO WITH WHAT SHE WOULD
00:18:06:08 --:--:--:-- SAY AND THE BIBLE, THAT YOUR
00:18:08:06 --:--:--:-- FOOD IS LITERALLY OF THE
00:18:10:09 --:--:--:-- SEEDS AND THE TREES.
00:18:11:16 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT
00:18:12:12 --:--:--:-- OF YOUR LAB.
00:18:13:08 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: BUT THEN YOU'RE NOT
00:18:14:04 --:--:--:-- GONNA EAT ANYTHING, 'CAUSE
00:18:15:00 --:--:--:-- EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY FOOD THAT
00:18:16:06 --:--:--:-- YOU BUY, WHETHER IT'S ORGANIC
00:18:17:21 --:--:--:-- OR NOT, HAS BEEN MADE BY
00:18:20:03 --:--:--:-- BREEDING THOUSANDS OF YEARS
00:18:21:23 --:--:--:-- AND ALTERING GENES.
00:18:23:08 --:--:--:-- IN FACT, WHEAT HAS BEEN MADE
00:18:25:04 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A CROSS
00:18:26:08 --:--:--:-- BETWEEN DIFFERENT SPECIES,
00:18:27:06 --:--:--:-- NOT EVEN THE SAME SPECIES.
00:18:29:03 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: BUT YOU'RE THE SAME GUY
00:18:30:00 --:--:--:-- WHO SAID TO EAT SALMON, AND WE
00:18:30:20 --:--:--:-- SEE THAT THE SALMON TAKES...
00:18:31:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU WOULDN'T HAVE
00:18:32:12 --:--:--:-- ANY OF THE--
00:18:33:08 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: A YEAR TO GROW, AND
00:18:34:04 --:--:--:-- YOU GUYS HAVE MODIFIED IT.
00:18:35:01 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I HAVEN'T MODIFIED IT.
00:18:36:01 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: WELL, YOU HAVEN'T.
00:18:37:04 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND IT HASN'T
00:18:38:04 --:--:--:-- BEEN MODIFIED.
00:18:39:02 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: THE SCIENTISTS WHO MAKE
00:18:39:22 --:--:--:-- MONEY HAVE MODIFIED IT, AND THEY
00:18:41:19 --:--:--:-- PUT THIS INTO A SITUATION
00:18:43:04 --:--:--:-- THAT YOU NOW HAVE PEOPLE
00:18:44:06 --:--:--:-- THINKING THAT THEY CAN EAT A
00:18:45:07 --:--:--:-- SALMON THAT IS MADE RIGHT THERE
00:18:47:15 --:--:--:-- ON A FARM, AND THEY EVEN KNOW
00:18:49:02 --:--:--:-- IT'S NOT GOOD FOR YOU, BECAUSE
00:18:49:22 --:--:--:-- THE SALMON IS NOT--
00:18:50:18 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WITH TWO EYES ON ONE
00:18:51:14 --:--:--:-- SIDE OF THE HEAD.
00:18:52:10 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IT DOESN'T HAVE TWO
00:18:53:06 --:--:--:-- EYES ON THE SIDE OF THE HEAD.
00:18:54:02 --:--:--:-- KING: DR. SONU, SOME OF THE--
00:18:55:18 --:--:--:-- THE ALLEGED UPSIDES TO SOME
00:18:57:12 --:--:--:-- G.E. CROPS IS THE REDUCTION
00:18:59:00 --:--:--:-- TO THE USE OF PESTICIDES.
00:19:00:22 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: YES.
00:19:01:18 --:--:--:-- KING: IN YOUR OPINION, HAVE
00:19:02:14 --:--:--:-- PESTICIDES PROVEN
00:19:03:20 --:--:--:-- TO BE DANGEROUS TO HEALTH?
00:19:04:19 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: YES.
00:19:05:19 --:--:--:-- PESTICIDES ARE NOT A GOOD THING.
00:19:07:06 --:--:--:-- IF THEY KILL ANIMALS, THEY'RE
00:19:08:17 --:--:--:-- NOT GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH.
00:19:09:13 --:--:--:-- THAT SAID, THOUGH, THE WHOLE
00:19:11:01 --:--:--:-- IDEA OF THE G.M.O.s WAS TO
00:19:13:01 --:--:--:-- REDUCE PESTICIDES IN OUR
00:19:14:15 --:--:--:-- ENVIRONMENT, AND I'M NOT SURE
00:19:16:01 --:--:--:-- THAT HAS ACTUALLY BODED OUT THE
00:19:18:18 --:--:--:-- WAY WE INTENDED IT.
00:19:19:19 --:--:--:-- THAT SAID, THOUGH, I WANTED TO
00:19:20:18 --:--:--:-- ANSWER THE QUESTION--YOU KNOW,
00:19:22:00 --:--:--:-- MEDICINE IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.
00:19:23:06 --:--:--:-- A LOT OF IT IS GRAY.
00:19:24:15 --:--:--:-- BASED ON THE CURRENT EVIDENCE
00:19:26:14 --:--:--:-- THAT WE HAVE, WE CANNOT SAY
00:19:28:11 --:--:--:-- THAT G.M.O.s ARE BAD FOR YOU.
00:19:29:21 --:--:--:-- BUT WILL THINGS CHANGE
00:19:31:03 --:--:--:-- 20 YEARS FROM NOW?
00:19:32:05 --:--:--:-- NOBODY KNOWS.
00:19:33:04 --:--:--:-- HENNER: AND WHERE DO YOU SIT IN
00:19:34:07 --:--:--:-- TERMS OF LABELING?
00:19:35:08 --:--:--:-- WHY SHOULDN'T WE KNOW?
00:19:36:05 --:--:--:-- LET'S SAY EVERYTHING YOU GUYS
00:19:37:16 --:--:--:-- ARE SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY
00:19:39:05 --:--:--:-- FABULOUS ABOUT G.M.O.s, OKAY?
00:19:41:15 --:--:--:-- WHY ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE
00:19:43:01 --:--:--:-- LABELING, AND WHERE DO YOU
00:19:44:00 --:--:--:-- STAND ON IT?
00:19:45:19 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: I'M ALL FOR LABELING.
00:19:48:03 --:--:--:-- TRANSPARENCY IS WHAT SHOULD BE.
00:19:50:04 --:--:--:-- EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW WHAT
00:19:51:00 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE EATING.
00:19:51:20 --:--:--:-- THE CONCERN IS, AND AGAIN THIS
00:19:53:08 --:--:--:-- IS ALL POLITICAL, IS THAT ONCE
00:19:55:00 --:--:--:-- YOU START LABELING, THEN GROCERY
00:19:57:00 --:--:--:-- STORES, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS IN
00:19:58:04 --:--:--:-- EUROPE, HAVE JUST NOT STORED
00:20:00:00 --:--:--:-- ANY MORE G.M.O. FOODS IN THE
00:20:01:11 --:--:--:-- STORE, AND SO CONSUMERS DON'T
00:20:02:19 --:--:--:-- HAVE A CHOICE ANYMORE, BECAUSE
00:20:03:21 --:--:--:-- IT ENDS UP BEING MORE POLITICAL.
00:20:05:06 --:--:--:-- SO I SUPPOSE THAT'S THE REASON,
00:20:07:08 --:--:--:-- BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
00:20:08:11 --:--:--:-- TRANSPARENCY IS THE BEST.
00:20:10:05 --:--:--:-- KING: BOB, HOW DO YOU RESPOND
00:20:11:05 --:--:--:-- TO THAT?
00:20:12:01 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YEAH, I AGREE
00:20:12:21 --:--:--:-- WITH HIM, TOTALLY, BUT I THINK
00:20:13:18 --:--:--:-- YOU TAKE IT ON
00:20:14:14 --:--:--:-- A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
00:20:15:20 --:--:--:-- ONE G.M.O.'S NOT THE SAME AS
00:20:17:03 --:--:--:-- ANOTHER G.M.O.
00:20:18:05 --:--:--:-- YOU HAVE TO LOOK IN INDIVIDUAL--
00:20:20:05 --:--:--:-- INDIVIDUAL EVENTS OF GENETIC
00:20:21:22 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERING, AND THAT'S THE
00:20:23:00 --:--:--:-- ONLY WAY TO DO IT.
00:20:23:21 --:--:--:-- AND FURTHERMORE, I FIND IT
00:20:25:11 --:--:--:-- IRONIC THAT YOU WANT TO USE ALL
00:20:26:23 --:--:--:-- THIS ORGANIC STUFF IN YOUR
00:20:28:02 --:--:--:-- RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE SO GUNG-HO
00:20:29:18 --:--:--:-- ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE
00:20:31:20 --:--:--:-- ORGANIC FOOD THAT YOU USE IN
00:20:33:15 --:--:--:-- YOUR RESTAURANT THAT HAS BEEN
00:20:34:16 --:--:--:-- TESTED BY ANY AGENCY,
00:20:36:03 --:--:--:-- ANY SCIENTIFIC STUDY,
00:20:38:01 --:--:--:-- HAS NO REGULATORY OVERSIGHT,
00:20:39:20 --:--:--:-- AND IN FACT COULD HAVE SOME
00:20:41:11 --:--:--:-- TOXINS AND THINGS IN IT THAT ARE
00:20:42:19 --:--:--:-- WORSE THAN G.M.O. CROPS.
00:20:45:01 --:--:--:-- I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT'S IRONIC.
00:20:46:08 --:--:--:-- YOU DON'T WANT TO USE SCIENCE
00:20:47:12 --:--:--:-- FOR YOUR ORGANIC FOODS, BUT YOU
00:20:49:10 --:--:--:-- WANT THE MOST TESTED FOODS
00:20:50:23 --:--:--:-- IN THE HISTORY OF AGRICULTURE
00:20:52:12 --:--:--:-- TO BE TESTED AND TESTED AND
00:20:55:03 --:--:--:-- RETESTED IN FACE OF ALL
00:20:56:17 --:--:--:-- THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
00:20:57:20 --:--:--:-- THAT'S WHAT I FIND SO IRONIC.
00:20:59:03 --:--:--:-- I'D LIKE TO BRING UP...
00:21:00:11 --:--:--:-- STONE: WHAT'S IRONIC
00:21:01:08 --:--:--:-- ABOUT USING--
00:21:02:04 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: ANOTHER ISSUE.
00:21:03:00 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WELL, LET HIM ANSWER.
00:21:03:20 --:--:--:-- DON'T YOU THINK CURTIS SHOULD
00:21:05:15 --:--:--:-- HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUTTAL?
00:21:07:08 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I THINK A MORE SERIOUS
00:21:08:07 --:--:--:-- ISSUE--BUT GO AHEAD.
00:21:09:03 --:--:--:-- STONE: NO, PLEASE.
00:21:11:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S
00:21:12:01 --:--:--:-- GREAT THAT WE CAN GO IN OUR
00:21:14:20 --:--:--:-- GROCERY STORES AND WE CAN GO
00:21:16:18 --:--:--:-- TO YOUR RESTAURANT AND WE CAN
00:21:18:15 --:--:--:-- SPEND ALL THE MONEY THAT WE DO
00:21:20:01 --:--:--:-- ON FOOD, BECAUSE WE SPEND ONLY
00:21:21:23 --:--:--:-- 5% OF OUR DISPOSABLE INCOME
00:21:23:20 --:--:--:-- ON FOOD BECAUSE WE ARE A VERY
00:21:24:20 --:--:--:-- WEALTHY SOCIETY.
00:21:26:04 --:--:--:-- STONE: MM-HMM.
00:21:27:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: BUT MANY SOCIETIES ARE
00:21:28:01 --:--:--:-- SPENDING 80 TO 90% OF THEIR
00:21:30:11 --:--:--:-- MONEY ON FOOD, AND THEY HAVE
00:21:32:09 --:--:--:-- VERY SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH
00:21:34:00 --:--:--:-- FAMINE, THEY HAVE SERIOUS
00:21:35:10 --:--:--:-- PROBLEMS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO
00:21:37:23 --:--:--:-- PROVIDE ENOUGH FOR THEIR
00:21:39:04 --:--:--:-- FAMILIES, THEY HAVE VERY
00:21:40:03 --:--:--:-- SERIOUS NUTRITIONAL PROBLEMS.
00:21:41:20 --:--:--:-- AND I FIND IT AMAZING THAT THE
00:21:44:08 --:--:--:-- CAMPAIGN AGAINST
00:21:46:17 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED PLANTS
00:21:49:00 --:--:--:-- INDIRECTLY HAS HURT REALLY
00:21:52:10 --:--:--:-- LITERALLY TENS AND TENS OF
00:21:54:00 --:--:--:-- THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND
00:21:55:16 --:--:--:-- CHILDREN BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY
00:21:57:10 --:--:--:-- THAT IS HERE AND NOW AND OLD
00:22:00:05 --:--:--:-- THAT EXISTS THAT CAN HELP THEM
00:22:01:10 --:--:--:-- IS NOT BEING USED BECAUSE OF
00:22:03:11 --:--:--:-- THIS CONCERTED
00:22:04:23 --:--:--:-- ANTI-SCIENCE CAMPAIGN.
00:22:06:18 --:--:--:-- GOLDEN RICE IS AN EXAMPLE.
00:22:08:13 --:--:--:-- STONE: BUT IT IS BEING USED.
00:22:09:17 --:--:--:-- 80% OF PROCESSED FOOD IN AMERICA
00:22:12:07 --:--:--:-- IS G.M.O.
00:22:13:11 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IT'S NOT BEING USED
00:22:14:10 --:--:--:-- WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE USED.
00:22:15:09 --:--:--:-- IT'S NOT BEING USED
00:22:16:05 --:--:--:-- FOR EXAMPLE--
00:22:17:01 --:--:--:-- STONE: I FIND IT SO UNBELIEVABLE
00:22:18:02 --:--:--:-- THAT YOU'RE SO ONE-EYED
00:22:19:17 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE THAT
00:22:20:13 --:--:--:-- THERE'S TWO SIDES--
00:22:21:09 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: HOW MANY CHILDREN
00:22:22:05 --:--:--:-- DIE EVERY--
00:22:23:01 --:--:--:-- STONE: AND YOU KEEP TALKING OVER
00:22:23:21 --:--:--:-- ME EVERY TIME I TRY TO SPEAK.
00:22:24:18 --:--:--:--
00:22:26:08 --:--:--:-- KING: ONE OTHER THING, DOCTOR.
00:22:27:08 --:--:--:-- YOU THINK ANTI-G.M.O. IS AKIN TO
00:22:29:05 --:--:--:-- BEING ANTI-SCIENCE?
00:22:30:15 --:--:--:-- AHLUWALIA: WELL, IT DEPENDS ON
00:22:32:01 --:--:--:-- WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
00:22:33:00 --:--:--:-- IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BAN IT,
00:22:34:05 --:--:--:-- PROBABLY.
00:22:35:10 --:--:--:-- BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE REASONABLE
00:22:37:01 --:--:--:-- TO DISCUSSION AND TO SORTING
00:22:40:03 --:--:--:-- OUT THE FACTS, THEN YOU'RE NOT.
00:22:41:14 --:--:--:-- STONE: RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S
00:22:42:10 --:--:--:-- UPS AND DOWNS WITH ALL
00:22:43:07 --:--:--:-- OF THIS STUFF, RIGHT?
00:22:44:11 --:--:--:-- KING: WHEN WE COME BACK, OUR
00:22:45:07 --:--:--:-- PANEL WILL ANSWER
00:22:46:03 --:--:--:-- YOUR QUESTIONS.
00:22:46:23 --:--:--:-- WE'RE DOING SOCIAL MEDIA
00:22:48:00 --:--:--:-- IN OUR FINAL SEGMENT.
00:22:49:06 00:22:50:15 DON'T CLICK AWAY.
00:22:53:00 --:--:--:-- KING: WE'RE BACK WITH THE
00:22:53:20 --:--:--:-- PANEL THAT'S BEEN WITH US
00:22:54:16 --:--:--:-- ALL THE WAY.
00:22:55:12 --:--:--:-- I IMAGINE NO ONE'S MIND HAS BEEN
00:22:56:11 --:--:--:-- CHANGED BY ANYTHING SAID TODAY.
00:22:57:23 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I CHANGED MY MIND.
00:22:58:23 --:--:--:-- KING: WHAT'D YOU CHANGE?
00:22:59:22 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I AGREE WITH
00:23:00:19 --:--:--:-- MYSELF 110%.
00:23:02:21 --:--:--:-- BEFORE, I WAS BACK AND FORTH,
00:23:04:16 --:--:--:-- 'CAUSE MAYBE I WAS THINKING--
00:23:06:00 --:--:--:-- UNTIL I REALIZED--I SAW THAT--
00:23:09:08 --:--:--:-- all: PLANT...
00:23:10:09 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: BEING EATEN PROPERLY.
00:23:11:13 --:--:--:-- KING: WE HAVE SOME SOCIAL
00:23:13:06 --:--:--:-- MEDIA QUESTIONS.
00:23:14:03 --:--:--:-- GARY PROKASA ON FACEBOOK.
00:23:15:21 --:--:--:-- "HOW DO FARMERS WHO USE
00:23:17:05 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEED
00:23:19:00 --:--:--:-- CONTROL FOR CROSS-POLLINATION?
00:23:21:08 --:--:--:-- CAN G.E. CROPS SPREAD
00:23:23:14 --:--:--:-- TO NON-G.M.O. CROPS,
00:23:25:09 --:--:--:-- THEREBY CONTAMINATING THEM?"
00:23:26:21 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: YES.
00:23:27:17 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NO.
00:23:28:15 --:--:--:-- THERE'S NO NATIVE--
00:23:31:11 --:--:--:-- IN THE UNITED STATES, WE GROW
00:23:32:09 --:--:--:-- MOSTLY SOYBEAN AND CORN,
00:23:34:23 --:--:--:-- AND THERE'S NO NATIVE SOYBEAN
00:23:37:01 --:--:--:-- AND CORN THAT IS IN
00:23:38:22 --:--:--:-- THE FIELDS AROUND IT.
00:23:40:06 --:--:--:-- AND FURTHERMORE,
00:23:41:07 --:--:--:-- THE POLLEN OF CORN IS PRETTY
00:23:43:07 --:--:--:-- HEAVY, AND PEOPLE HAVE MEASURED
00:23:44:14 --:--:--:-- EXACTLY HOW FAR IT GOES.
00:23:46:16 --:--:--:-- AND SO THE CHANCE OF THESE
00:23:48:00 --:--:--:-- THINGS CROSS-POLLINATING A
00:23:49:11 --:--:--:-- NATIVE SPECIES IS ALMOST
00:23:50:18 --:--:--:-- RARE OR IMPOSSIBLE.
00:23:51:16 --:--:--:-- HENNER: IF THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.
00:23:52:14 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: WHAT ABOUT CANOLA?
00:23:53:14 --:--:--:-- HENNER: AND COTTON. CANOLA.
00:23:54:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: CANOLA'S A DIFFERENT
00:23:55:12 --:--:--:-- ISSUE, BUT THE QUESTION THEN
00:23:56:22 --:--:--:-- BECOMES, WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE
00:23:58:22 --:--:--:-- OF THAT, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY,
00:24:00:23 --:--:--:-- WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE, AND
00:24:02:01 --:--:--:-- WHAT IS THE FITNESS--
00:24:02:21 --:--:--:-- KING: IS CANOLA GOOD?
00:24:03:20 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WELL, NOT IF IT'S--
00:24:05:12 --:--:--:-- TO ME, NOT IF IT'S G.M.O.
00:24:07:11 00:24:09:03 KING: CAT BERRY VIA INSTAGRAM...
00:24:22:22 --:--:--:-- HENNER: IT HASN'T BEEN TESTED
00:24:23:18 --:--:--:-- LONG ENOUGH.
00:24:24:14 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YEAH, BUT THERE'S NO
00:24:25:10 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY ENGINEERED ANIMALS
00:24:26:08 --:--:--:-- THAT ARE ON THE MARKET THAT
00:24:27:08 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE EATING, SO IT'S
00:24:28:04 --:--:--:-- NOT RELEVANT.
00:24:29:00 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT THEY'RE EATING
00:24:29:20 --:--:--:-- THE FOOD.
00:24:30:22 --:--:--:-- KING: "HOW CAN ANYONE LAY--
00:24:32:00 --:--:--:-- HOW CAN ANYONE LAY CLAIM TO
00:24:33:10 --:--:--:-- SEEDS WHICH BECOME AIRBORNE
00:24:35:06 --:--:--:-- CROSS-POLLINATING OTHER FIELDS
00:24:36:19 --:--:--:-- WHO DO NOT WISH TO
00:24:37:20 --:--:--:-- CROSS-POLLINATE WITH G.M.O.s?"
00:24:39:21 --:--:--:-- STONE: THAT HAPPENS.
00:24:41:03 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THAT HAPPENS.
00:24:42:05 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IT DEPENDS UPON WHAT
00:24:43:10 --:--:--:-- FIELD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
00:24:44:06 --:--:--:-- IT DEPENDS UPON THE CROP.
00:24:45:07 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT THAT'S WHY MY
00:24:46:03 --:--:--:-- BROTHER-IN-LAW HAD TO SWITCH
00:24:47:19 --:--:--:-- TO G.M.O.
00:24:48:15 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCE
00:24:49:11 --:--:--:-- OF THAT ANYWAYS.
00:24:50:21 --:--:--:-- STONE: THERE IS IF THERE'S A
00:24:51:20 --:--:--:-- FARMER THAT DOESN'T WANT
00:24:52:16 --:--:--:-- TO PRODUCE G.M.O.--
00:24:53:20 --:--:--:-- HENNER: ABSOLUTELY.
00:24:54:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: WHAT, THAT YOU HAVE
00:24:55:12 --:--:--:-- ONE SEED THAT MIGHT HAVE A--
00:24:56:09 --:--:--:-- HENNER: NO, BUT LIKE A FIELD
00:24:57:05 --:--:--:-- OF SEEDS.
00:24:58:01 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THERE'S NOT GONNA BE
00:24:58:21 --:--:--:-- A WHOLE FIELD.
00:24:59:17 --:--:--:-- IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
00:25:00:13 --:--:--:-- THERE'S NOT ENOUGH POLLEN GOING.
00:25:01:13 --:--:--:-- KING: TANYA TAM
00:25:02:09 00:25:04:09 ON GOOGLE ASKS...
00:25:08:03 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: PROBABLY NOT.
00:25:09:00 --:--:--:-- HENNER: I HOPE SO.
00:25:09:20 --:--:--:-- BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
00:25:11:17 --:--:--:-- EVEN THOUGH 93% OF PEOPLE
00:25:13:16 --:--:--:-- WANT IT.
00:25:14:23 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I DON'T AGREE
00:25:15:19 --:--:--:-- WITH THAT AT ALL.
00:25:16:23 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THAT'S THE STATISTIC.
00:25:17:23 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I HAVE DIFFERENT
00:25:18:23 --:--:--:-- STATISTICS THAT SAYS THAT,
00:25:20:01 --:--:--:-- WHEN YOU HAVE--
00:25:21:10 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: NO, NO, NO, 93% WANT
00:25:23:10 --:--:--:-- CANNABIS TO BE LEGAL...
00:25:24:20 --:--:--:-- HENNER:NO.
00:25:25:17 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: IS WHAT SHE WAS
00:25:26:17 --:--:--:-- REFERRING TO.
00:25:27:13 --:--:--:-- HENNER: NO, I WASN'T.
00:25:28:10 --:--:--:-- KING: YOU CAN EACH MAKE
00:25:29:06 --:--:--:-- A STATEMENT.
00:25:30:02 --:--:--:-- CURTIS, ANYTHING YOU
00:25:30:22 --:--:--:-- WANT TO SAY?
00:25:31:18 --:--:--:-- TAKE ABOUT A MINUTE.
00:25:32:14 --:--:--:-- STONE: LOOK, I THINK THERE'S
00:25:34:04 --:--:--:-- UPS AND DOWNS TO
00:25:35:00 --:--:--:-- ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.
00:25:36:01 --:--:--:-- YOU'VE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT
00:25:37:00 --:--:--:-- THE WORLD FOOD SHORTAGE.
00:25:40:12 --:--:--:-- IN AMERICA ALONE, WE THROW AWAY
00:25:42:07 --:--:--:-- NEARLY 50% OF WHAT WE PRODUCE.
00:25:44:09 --:--:--:-- SO, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE OF FOOD
00:25:45:18 --:--:--:-- GOING UP, I ACTUALLY DON'T
00:25:46:18 --:--:--:-- THINK IT'S A BAD THING.
00:25:47:19 --:--:--:-- I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE
00:25:48:17 --:--:--:-- RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH
00:25:49:16 --:--:--:-- HIGHER-PRICED FOODS.
00:25:51:00 --:--:--:-- I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
00:25:52:14 --:--:--:-- OF COURSE POSITIVES AND MINUSES
00:25:54:09 --:--:--:-- TO BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT.
00:25:55:12 --:--:--:-- ALL I STATE IS THAT WE SHOULD
00:25:57:17 --:--:--:-- BE GIVEN THE CHOICE.
00:25:58:16 --:--:--:-- WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE GIVEN
00:26:00:01 --:--:--:-- THE CHOICE, AND THE ONLY WAY
00:26:01:00 --:--:--:-- YOU CAN BE GIVEN THE CHOICE IS
00:26:02:03 --:--:--:-- BY BEING GIVEN THE INFORMATION.
00:26:03:15 --:--:--:-- KING: MARILU.
00:26:04:11 --:--:--:-- HENNER: ABSOLUTELY, I AGREE
00:26:05:07 --:--:--:-- THAT THERE SHOULD BE LABELING
00:26:06:04 --:--:--:-- SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW IF
00:26:07:00 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE CHOOSING G.M.O.s AND IF
00:26:08:09 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE NOT CHOOSING G.M.O.s.
00:26:09:12 --:--:--:-- AND I CAN TELL PEOPLE, IF YOU
00:26:10:22 --:--:--:-- WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T
00:26:11:20 --:--:--:-- HAVE G.M.O.s, MAKE SURE YOU
00:26:12:16 --:--:--:-- SHOP ORGANIC.
00:26:13:15 --:--:--:-- IT'S THE ONLY THING--AND IT'S
00:26:14:15 --:--:--:-- SAFER AND TASTIER FOR YOUR
00:26:16:13 --:--:--:-- CHILDREN, ABSOLUTELY.
00:26:18:00 --:--:--:-- KING: JOHN.
00:26:18:20 --:--:--:-- HENNER: MUCH HEALTHIER.
00:26:19:16 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I KNOW A GUY NAMED
00:26:20:12 --:--:--:-- RON FINLEY WHO WAS LIKE--
00:26:22:18 --:--:--:-- HE'S THE GARDENER IN THE CITY.
00:26:24:12 --:--:--:-- WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE
00:26:25:16 --:--:--:-- DIFFERENT FOOD ZONES, DRY ZONES,
00:26:27:05 --:--:--:-- NOT BEING ABLE TO FEED
00:26:28:05 --:--:--:-- THESE KIDS.
00:26:29:02 --:--:--:-- I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK
00:26:30:16 --:--:--:-- AT ALL THE VACANT LOTS AND ALL
00:26:32:06 --:--:--:-- THE BROKEN-DOWN PLACES AND
00:26:33:09 --:--:--:-- START FARMING IN TOWERS
00:26:35:06 --:--:--:-- OR FARMING IN THE GROUND
00:26:36:15 --:--:--:-- AND STOP BUYING THESE
00:26:38:01 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS.
00:26:39:16 --:--:--:-- KING: DR. GOLDBERG.
00:26:40:15 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN
00:26:41:11 --:--:--:-- MODIFYING FOODS FOR OVER
00:26:42:14 --:--:--:-- 10,000 YEARS.
00:26:43:22 --:--:--:-- AND WE'VE GOT TO PRODUCE MORE
00:26:45:12 --:--:--:-- FOOD IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS THAN
00:26:47:11 --:--:--:-- IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY
00:26:48:07 --:--:--:-- OF HUMANKIND.
00:26:49:06 --:--:--:-- AND WE HAVE TO DO IT WITH LESS
00:26:50:17 --:--:--:-- WATER AND LESS RESOURCES AND A
00:26:52:18 --:--:--:-- LOT LESS LAND.
00:26:53:18 --:--:--:-- AND CERTAINLY GENETIC
00:26:55:16 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERING IS ONE OF THE TOOLS
00:26:57:05 --:--:--:-- IN THE TOOLBOX BECAUSE WE'RE IN
00:26:59:04 --:--:--:-- A REVOLUTION OF AGRICULTURE,
00:27:00:14 --:--:--:-- JUST LIKE THE HUMAN GENOME.
00:27:02:07 --:--:--:-- WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT EVERY
00:27:03:17 --:--:--:-- SINGLE SOLITARY GENE IN EVERY
00:27:05:09 --:--:--:-- CROP, EVERY PLANT ON THE
00:27:06:09 --:--:--:-- FACE OF THIS EARTH, AND WE CAN
00:27:07:19 --:--:--:-- USE IT TO MAKE THE
00:27:08:17 --:--:--:-- DROUGHT-RESISTANT AND THE
00:27:10:06 --:--:--:-- INSECT-RESISTANT AND THE
00:27:11:14 --:--:--:-- PEST-RESISTANT CROPS OF THE
00:27:12:22 --:--:--:-- FUTURE THAT ARE PERFECTLY SAFE
00:27:14:12 --:--:--:-- AND REALLY WILL DO
00:27:15:18 --:--:--:-- A LOT OF GOOD.
00:27:17:02 --:--:--:-- KING: THANKS TO MY GUESTS.
00:27:18:09 --:--:--:-- NO MIND HAS BEEN CHANGED
00:27:20:00 --:--:--:-- ON THIS PANEL.
00:27:21:03 --:--:--:-- CURTIS STONE, JOHN SALLEY,
00:27:23:04 --:--:--:-- MARILU HENNER, AND
00:27:24:12 --:--:--:-- DR. BOB GOLDBERG, AS WELL
00:27:26:08 --:--:--:-- AS THOSE WHO JOINED US REMOTELY.
00:27:27:21 --:--:--:-- WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE
00:27:28:20 --:--:--:-- CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
00:27:30:03 --:--:--:-- YOU CAN TWEET ME @KINGSTHINGS,
00:27:31:17 00:27:34:06 AND I'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
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