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On Larry King Now, "Everything is (beeping)"
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author Mark Manson.
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The title promises hope, and I think a lot,
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you know, everybody today
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is looking for some hope in society.
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People are freaking out a little bit.
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But the argument I end up making
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is that that desperate need for some vision of hope
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that's gonna come and like solve society,
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that's the problem.
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We can very quickly devolve into a dangerous game,
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where we're trying to out victim the other person.
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See it everyday.
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And it's a way to get attention, especially online.
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You can't have a functional community based off of that.
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Plus.
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A lot of the technology that we've created
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obviously there are benefits to it,
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and there are, they are enjoyable in certain capacities,
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but I think there are social side effects,
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and social consequences.
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That is all next on Larry King Now.
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Hey, welcome to Larry King Now, I'm Dennis Miller,
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filling in for Larry.
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Today's guest is Mark Manson.
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Now Mark is the author of the New York Times
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best selling book, "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a (beep)"
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which has sold over eight million copies.
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Now you hear that number folks.
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I was in a O'Reilly land for awhile,
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there's a lot of books sold there.
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Eight million is freakazoid, Clancy stuff.
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He's back with a followup to the extremely successful book,
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this one is called, "Everything is (beep)."
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Now I love the coda, A Book About Hope.
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(laughing)
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That's funny, it's currently available online,
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and in stores.
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How are you, my friend?
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(laughing) It's good to be here.
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Eight million, God bless ya.
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I think Buzz Aldrin like walked on the moon,
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and then he had to sell Daihatsu's
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and it freaked him out a little.
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(laughing)
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At some point, this kid, or relatively young man,
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I think you're 31 when you write the first one?
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Did it get into your head at all?
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Everybody wants to sell that many books,
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but that's an amazing number of books.
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Yeah it messes with you because you basically,
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I had this idea in my head that I was gonna
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be writing a lot of books for many decades.
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And I think we all kind of go into our career
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with this idea that each book's gonna
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be a little bit better than the last one.
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But when you hit eight million on the first shot,
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you feel like there's nowhere to go
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but downhill (laughing) after that.
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And when you're thirty, that freaks you out.
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Yeah but you can go die on a hill
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and be at seven million.
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Yeah.
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You're still at the sixth base cap.
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Give me the core premise as you would put it.
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I'm familiar with the first book,
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but give me the core premise of the first one
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and then we'll see how you've tweaked it
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in the second one.
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Sure.
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So the first one is essentially,
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I think of it as like a pessimistic self-help book.
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I think most of the genre of self-help,
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it's all about like you can follow your dreams,
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and you can do anything you want
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and just believe in yourself.
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And it's a lot of very feel good fluffy unicorns
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and rainbows vision of the world.
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As somebody, I spent a number of years
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researching human behavior and psychology,
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and what you realize is that humans are,
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we're pretty awful creatures.
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We're awful to ourselves, we're awful to other people.
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that essentially that was the starting point.
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It's like, let's just try to be less awful to each other.
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Let's just.
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Good first step, right?
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Let's leave it there.
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Let all the dreams and you can accomplish anything.
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So you get to, when do you start writing it,
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the mothership, the first book,
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you start writing it in the late 20s or?
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I started when I was 30.
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How long did it take you?
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Did it pour out of you?
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Was it a hard process to birth it or easy?
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It took about two years.
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There was, the first draft was kind of garbage
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and had to throw that out and start over.
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But I think we got it right the second time around.
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All right and then how do we tweak it for this one,
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"Everything is (beeping)", A Book About Hope.
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And what would you say subtle tweak is in this?
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More optimism per chance?
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This one's a little bit darker.
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looking at our own life and our own values,
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and understanding where the ways in which we
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create our own suffering and maybe dilute ourselves
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about what we're doing.
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This is more of an outward look onto society.
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It's, the title promises hope,
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and I think a lot, everybody today's looking
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for some hope in society.
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People are freaking out a little bit.
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is that that desperate need for some vision
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of hope that's gonna come and solve society,
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that's the problem.
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It's that seeking that's the problem.
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That we need to be more skeptical of our own hopes.
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I find the prevalencey
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of people brandishing their specific pain,
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or the inequity of their life
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or the disillusionment of their life
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is their calling card now to be an oddly present day thing.
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It used to be people would
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brandish their proudest achievement,
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or can I show you my kid's pictures.
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You're almost with somebody for 30 seconds now
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when they're telling you how life
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has dealt them dirty in a way.
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I don't know when that happened.
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I don't either.
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into a dangerous game where we're trying
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to out-victim the other person.
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See it everyday.
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you can't have a functional community based off of that.
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Off complete dysfunction.
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At some point, somebody's gotta grab the rudder
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and stare this thing.
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We're gonna talk about social media.
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That's a big part of this.
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The ability to flourish your emotional cards.
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All these things we used to keep in here
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and wonder should I see a shrink about this
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are now out there online within 15 seconds
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of thinking about 'em.
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Big problem.
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After the break, Mark Manson will also talk about hope
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and why the hope might be a bit of a misnomer.
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Should we still have hope or is hope lost?
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The book is "Everything is (beeping)", A Book About Hope.
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You're watching Larry King now,
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Welcome back to Larry King Now,
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I'm Dennis Miller filling in for Larry.
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Today my guest is "Everything is (beeping)"
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author Mark Manson.
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First off Mark, I should have asked,
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are you a trained psychologist?
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No.
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Have you been in therapy?
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(laughs)
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The thing I loved the most about therapy in my life
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is you could take the most aberrant notion that you've had,
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it's something where you think I gotta go see a shrink.
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And I used to love that moment where'd they look up
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and go yeah my 9:30 has that.
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(laughs)
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You know I always loved that feeling
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where they've heard everything.
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Yeah yeah, absolutely.
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Humans are more dinged than they think.
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We can't talk about it,
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but I guess that's one of the things here.
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People might come to this sort of aa cathartic salt lick
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to say yeah that's the stuff I think,
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and somebody else has thought.
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Well it's funny starting my career online,
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I get emails from thousands and thousands of people.
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what I started noticing was that everybody
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has pretty much the same four or five problems going on.
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But everybody thinks that their problem is special.
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They think they're the only one who feels this way.
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They think they're the only ones who have been harmed
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or damaged in this way.
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No, we all go through it.
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Kids today, well I often think never
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of lives less lived been more chronicled.
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I mean there are kids out there everyday talking
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about their life.
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And I'm thinking you haven't even lived it yet.
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And they're already experiencing the downside of it.
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Absolutely.
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Social media's a dangerous creature I think.
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Your thoughts?
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I think, I wrote an article about a year ago
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called smart phones are the new cigarettes.
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And I think a lot of the technology that we've created,
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obviously there are benefits to it.
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And there are, they are enjoyable in certain capacities.
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But I think there are social side effects
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and social consequences.
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The same way it's like, you know,
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if one of these guys started smoking in this room,
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it affects us, affects our health.
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I think the same thing goes with social media.
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All it takes is one weirdo posting some crazy stuff,
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and that just gets broadcast to such an extent
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that it starts to dominate our cultural narrative.
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Plus we live on the precipice man.
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It can go away quickly.
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I was watching Face in a Crowd recently
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and Elia Kazan, I read some back story notes on it.
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And he said the reason he made the book was to show,
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this is what, '57.
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He said to show how quickly you can go up,
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and how quickly you can go down.
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And compared to now 60 years later,
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you can go through the five stages of grief in one day.
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You can wake up and think you have a notion at 10 A.M.
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Put it up on the internet,
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find out you've misstepped and gacked it.
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Find out you're over at one o' clock,
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experience some phoenix from the ashes saying
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by three in the afternoon,
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be back on the Internet at early morning
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being overly strident again about something.
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It's a pretty quick cycle of life now isn't it?
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It is, and it's so quick that it's becoming meaningless.
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It's like oh, well yep there's another celebrity
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that just stepped in it.
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He'll be back in a couple days.
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Where do you see it leading?
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People think, well I think we'll eventually learn
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how to do social media.
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I think it's only gonna get worse.
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I think something like you said though,
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at some point you'll have to say (beeping).
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You know what I mean?
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That will be the lesson that we'll learn
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is we are completely exposed to our fellow humans now.
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And the immediacies of like that.
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And at the end of the day you just gotta keep going on,
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what does it matter?
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I think one thing that gives me a little bit of hope,
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I think more and more people in our society,
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and this is both on the right and on the left
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are starting to realize that we need
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to be having a deeper conversation about our values.
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What we're exposing ourself to,
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and that maybe it's incumbent on us
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to start limiting our own exposure to social media
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and a lot of the stuff that gets posted online.
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People are willingly removing apps from their phone.
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They're unfriending and unfollowing 80%
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of the people that they follow.
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It's about quality of information,
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rather than quantity.
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Because the quantity just messes us up.
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I'm wondering if this hands across the water
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serves us all.
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You might be right.
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There's a thing I think
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in sociology called the Dunbar number.
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And essentially what they found is that humans aren't,
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none of us are able to process more
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than about 150 relationships.
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So in terms of like actually seeing somebody as a human,
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not just an objectified other.
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Well that's interesting.
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We max out around 150.
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Everything past that we just lump
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into these stereotypical groups.
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So it's like the old Stalin quote,
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the death of one person's a tragedy,
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the death of a million is a statistic.
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Like our minds literally can't wrap around
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that many human beings.
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Now as you were going to write this book,
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I'm wondering as you
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throw an interesting Stalin quote at me.
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I find great knowledge in some of these old quotes.
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And I go back and research them.
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You hear of aphorisms once and a while.
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You know, you're only as happy as you're unhappiest child.
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I always think who wrote that?
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Who's that wise that they could write that?
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And how many children did they have?
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And I'm wondering as you go back,
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who's resonated with you?
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Where do you find some of your answers?
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Yeah, a lot of my inspiration for this book,
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I went back to some of the classic western philosophers.
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So Immanuel Kant, Friedrich Nietzsche, Freud,
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even some Plato.
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I think it's,
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a few years ago after the 2016 election
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where everything hit the fan
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and everybody started kind of going crazy at each other.
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I decided that anything too contemporary
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was probably gonna miss the mark.
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That we need to get back to first principles.
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And so I just started digging into philosophy,
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and it really kept me sane in a lot of ways.
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Interesting, I agree with you.
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It seems to be there's a few great thoughts in the world.
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I don't know who's gonna hatch the next one,
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but I almost feel like it's been hatched already.
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(laughing)
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These guys had an empty playing field back then.
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Yeah, right.
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Like old Nietzsche they were able
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to come in and be uber avuncular.
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I'm not sure that's coming down the road
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as I read some of these Tweets.
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I don't know that we haven't gone past that time.
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We're talking to Mark Manson.
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I wanna talk to Mark about politics
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which he just mentioned after the break.
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Mark Manson on why he thinks the current state
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of our economy, political situation,
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and the rest of the world probably gets
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into our ability to jangle on down the road
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in a more easy manner.
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His book is "Everything is (beeping), A Book about Hope".
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And he is the author, and I'm sure you're one
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of the eight million out there watching this,
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"The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck".
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We'll be right back with Mark Manson
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after this on Larry King Now.
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Welcome back to Larry King Now,
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I'm Dennis Miller filling in for Larry.
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Today my guest is "Everything is (beeping)" author,
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Mark Maren, Mark Maren?
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(laughing)
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That will show you the Internet's a fact.
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(laughing)
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Mark Manson, we should leave that in,
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that will show you how this is,
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we're Pavlov's dogs.
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Sorry Manson.
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I'm trying to think, when you said politics 2016,
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I didn't know what, the A, D, B, C moment
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that was 2016 as far as the national sanity goes amazes me.
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Honest to god I've made my living as an adult,
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ever since I was lucky enough to get the weekend update
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where you do topical jokes to talk about topics.
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I'm not drawn to politics by and large.
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People kind of know me as a topical comedian.
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I'm amazed that people have
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lost there (beeping) over politics like that.
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Really?
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I feel like it's everything's become so amplified
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that it's like any little thing that's going wrong,
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it becomes a catastrophe.
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It becomes something gate.
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Drama queens, it's like the blanche duboisation
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of the culture.
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And it's one thing that I was very intentional
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with writing this book was when I was promoting Subtle Art,
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I traveled around the world promoting it.
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And so I would go Australia,
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I'd go to the U.K.
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I'd go to India, Brazil.
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And what I noticed is that everything
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that was happening here was happening
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to a certain degree in these other places as well.
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And so I felt very strongly that I wanted
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to write a book that discussed our political discourse
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without taking a side.
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Because one of things that I'm very happy about too
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is that people on both the right and the left were fans
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of the last book.
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And I think that's extremely rare today.
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It's a sweet spot.
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It is.
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That's a tough sweet spot to hit nowadays.
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And it's hard to stay there.
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It's Hatfield's and McCoys both sharing something
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at the picnic quite frankly.
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But when you get to a place like India you say for instance.
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Let's say sub-Saharan Africa.
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Places where there's real pain.
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I'm always amazed that,
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I think part of our ability to be emotional hemophiliacs
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in this country is how in many ways,
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we don't have problems like they do.
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Yeah.
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We've got time for these boot-deep problems
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in an odd way.
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There's something interesting that I talk about
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in the first chapter which is that,
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interestingly the richer and safer a country becomes,
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the more people struggle with these questions
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of meaning and hope.
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So things like depression, anxiety, suicides,
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drug overdoses, there are all far more common
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in richer and safer societies.
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They're even, they've even run studies,
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they found that the richest and safest neighborhoods
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and cities have the highest rates of suicide
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and depression and drug overdoses.
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Isn't that amazing?
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You should put a map together for your third book of that.
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Yeah.
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You know and show the places
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where you think you'd be in clover,
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you're screwed up because you almost have the time
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and the luxury of imagining problems.
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But it's fascinating because if you think about it,
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if you are somebody on the Savannah and sub-Saharan Africa,
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like it's not a complicated question
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to know what to live for.
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Yes.
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You gotta eat.
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There's no time to think about anything else.
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That's today's plan.
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And it's when your sitting
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in a cushy air-conditioned condo
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ordering food off your phone
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and flipping between 18 different Hulu shows or whatever,
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it's actually a very complicated question
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of what to live for or what to hope for.
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Our final moments with Mark Manson.
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(elated music)
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We'll take some questions from you social media,
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and Mark will answer them.
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Don't go away, that's right after this.
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Symbolically I'm telling you this is a well balanced book
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by leaving here to stand on its own.
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Welcome back to Larry King Now,
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I'm Dennis Miller, I'm filling in for Larry.
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Today my guest is "Everything is (beeping)" author,
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Mark Manson.
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And quite an interesting young man.
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I think of him as young, but then again I'm old.
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We have some social media questions for Mark.
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Lavesh Bhola, are you willing to create a list
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of speakers in programs such
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as popular motivational speakers about whom we should
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or should not give a (beeping).
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For example, an A to Z consumers guide
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to help self-help gurus updated annually.
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Yeah, no I'm not willing.
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A, because who the hell am I to say?
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But also B, different people respond to different things.
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Everybody kind of has their own path.
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So what might not work for me,
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or be a bad influence for me might
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be great for somebody else.
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Sure, I'm interested,
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you were talking about some of the classics
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and I think those are touch stones for everybody,
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but is there anybody new who sort of floats your boat
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as far as some sort of unique perspective?
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Periodically I'll read something,
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I'll go that's an interesting.
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I think there's some great authors right now
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that are talking about a lot of these same issues.
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I'm a big fan of Yuval Noah Harari,
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he wrote Sapians and Homo Deus.
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Sam Harris who even though I disagree with him
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on a lot of stuff, he has great discussions,
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and raises a lot of interesting points
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around a lot of these issues.
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Jonathon Haidt, psychologist at NYU.
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Do you read Steven Pinker at all?
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I love Pinker, love Pinker.
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Interesting man.
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I'm interested in your every man quality.
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Are you ill at ease when people would apply more
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to you than author I enjoyed who had some clever insights.
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If they go anywhere near guru,
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I assume you find that radioactive to some degree?
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Yes, absolutely.
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Yeah who needs that?
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Yeah.
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Wutsupnews, @wutsupnews on Twitter.
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In one sentence, what is the biggest takeaway
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from your new book?
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The book again is "Everything is (beeping),
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A Book About Hope.
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Biggest takeaway?
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Be careful what you hope for.
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Because as you said, you just might get it.
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Yeah there's a great Capote short story
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called Answer Prayers which is just a twist on that,
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or you really have to think.
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Sometimes the best move is no move.
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Yeah exactly.
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(laughing)
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Just sit in it, learn how to dig it back.
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Everybody doesn't have to get the Australian crawl,
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figure out a nice whatever the hell this is.
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(laughs)
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And once a while in your life take it to,
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okay what do I swim for next?
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@Laurenmeah, sorry Ms. Meah if I'm saying that wrong,
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M-E-A-H on Twitter.
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Does writing energize or exhaust you?
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Exhaust.
533
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Yeah, even this one?
534
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Get any better to it was the same thing?
535
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No, it exhausts.
536
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I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it.
537
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But three to four hours, I am brain dead.
538
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Yeah you're out.
539
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Brain dead, yeah.
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Yeah I read, there's a great book
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about how writers approach their writing.
542
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I forget the name of it, sorry I did that,
543
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but I love Jonathon Franzen
544
00:21:03.230 --> 00:21:05.610
and said he took the oldest keyboard he could,
545
00:21:05.610 --> 00:21:08.600
and he gaffer taped up every extraneous hole on it.
546
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Every sort of informational orifice
547
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and turned it just into the keyboard.
548
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And he said I would face a wall.
549
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I didn't want any window
550
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where I go oh, life's beautiful.
551
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Yeah.
552
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And I thought, man at some point it is strapping yourself
553
00:21:19.385 --> 00:21:21.350
on the ore and beating that drum?
554
00:21:21.350 --> 00:21:22.850
It really is, it's like being
555
00:21:22.850 --> 00:21:24.831
on a treadmill for three hours.
556
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By the end of it you can't wait
557
00:21:26.730 --> 00:21:28.615
to just go lay face down in a couch somewhere.
558
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(laughs)
559
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It's something I always fantasized about
560
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is writing a really long book.
561
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And I'm saying, I did little pamphlet books kind of
562
00:21:35.780 --> 00:21:37.500
about the rants years ago.
563
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They were comic books.
564
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When you're finished, is it like misery?
565
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Is it like Jimmy Caan or?
566
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What do you feel that first night?
567
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You just must feel, or you just go to bed.
568
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There's a little bit of elation.
569
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The problem is is that when you're writing a book,
570
00:21:51.805 --> 00:21:54.530
you go through so many revisions.
571
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So you go through six, eight revisions.
572
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So by the time you finish that last revision,
573
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you're actually, you're just so sick of it,
574
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that you can't wait.
575
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Time to hand it off, right.
576
00:22:02.486 --> 00:22:03.880
Yeah, (laughs) you're like,
577
00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:05.360
you feel nauseous looking at it.
578
00:22:05.360 --> 00:22:07.583
You got a good editor, you dovetail with somebody smart?
579
00:22:07.583 --> 00:22:10.360
Yeah, love my editor, great guy.
580
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It's too weird a world.
581
00:22:12.800 --> 00:22:14.250
You gotta have somebody right off your wing,
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you know when you turn, they turn, or vice versa.
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00:22:17.468 --> 00:22:20.909 line:15%
Rosssaw, what was your initial reaction
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00:22:20.909 --> 00:22:23.353 line:15%
when you were contacted by Will Smith
585
00:22:23.353 --> 00:22:28.353 line:15%
and asked to collaborate with him for his upcoming book?
586
00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:32.603 line:15%
W-T-F, I was like really?
587
00:22:33.855 --> 00:22:37.130 line:15%
And I mean that in a self-deprecating way.
588
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I was hugely flattered and honored
589
00:22:39.410 --> 00:22:41.170
and I have started working with him.
590
00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:44.281
And it's just, the guy's had an incredible life
591
00:22:44.281 --> 00:22:46.839
and incredible career so it's an honor
592
00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:51.839
for me to help get that, mold it, and channel it
593
00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.570
to help him share it with the world.
594
00:22:54.570 --> 00:22:56.090
There's the next book baby.
595
00:22:56.090 --> 00:22:56.923
Yep.
596
00:22:56.923 --> 00:22:59.037
The fresh (beeping) prince of Bel-air.
597
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(laughs)
598
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Mark Manson.
Thank you so much.
599
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Appreciate your time.
600
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Big thanks to my guest Mark Manson.
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Check out his new book, "Everything is (beeping),
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A Book About Hope.
604
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I think the sly sense of humor's conveyed
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by the subtitler.
606
00:23:15.330 --> 00:23:18.250
And currently in book stores and online.
607
00:23:18.250 --> 00:23:20.756
Check out my podcast, the Dennis Miller Option
608
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on Westwood One, iTunes.
609
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Thank you Larry, I'll see you next time.
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